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The experiment as a women/on the womens section

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by axy_david, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. axy_david

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    interesting, thanks for the insight!
     
  2. Elduderino

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    Sounds like Hollywood's portrayal.

    I think a real man will think things through and humble himself.
     
  3. Jongleerbeer

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    Thank you kindly for being so open. I am sorry you were beaten up by some guys in your youth, this sort of bullying decreases as you get older.

    Well the fact that you had good relationships with the opposite sex when you were young and the fact that that stopped before puberty is a really normal phenomenon. It happens to pretty much every guy and every girl many cultures across the globe. If you like your beard where many other people do not, well that’s awesome. I have a beard. I like it, some people do, some people do not, that’s part of judgement of aesthetics, everyone has a different opinion.

    Women are not a victim of society just because many people say so. You do not have to improve your opinion about women because many people say so. You do not have to nail anything into your head for nobody. This seems like you are trying to brainwash yourself. It is always good to stay open minded and to be able to see many points of view. Your opinion of women will naturally change and grow as you have more experiences with women. I would advise you to develop an opinion on women based on your experiences with them and not based on the opinion of other people. As you can understand, in and of itself this is not a reason to create an online alter ego.

    Then there is the thing that you do not like masculine features of your body and therefore think about changing your gender. I would say that that is a real issue. Perhaps the fact that you had some hormonal treatment could have something to do with that. Please talk to some people about this, then go and see a doctor who can determine what caused these issues, whether you were born a boy, girl, transgender or something in between and if needed a psychologist or psychiatrist to talk about it. I would not advise you to create a female online alter ego before you are SURE you will become actually that, a female, with hormonal treatment, surgery, the whole nine yards. I say this precisely because Earthdragon said so, anything else could result in quite a bit of suffering.
     
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  4. NoBrainer

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    @axy_david

    I have a transgender friend and I thought it may help you, and others commenting on this thread who perhaps don't understand gender dysphoria, by sharing her story. Before I start, I apologise if this post seems a little confusing. For my friend who was male now identifies as female. I shall therefore refer to them as 'he' for the past tense and 'her' for the present tense. But it's the same person I'm referring to.

    This person has been a good friend of mine for about 6 years now. Last year another friend of ours was concerned about his health and depressive state. I knew he was depressed but didn't know why. I thought he might be addicted to porn, characterised by his isolation, lazy lifestyle and abnormal sleeping habits. His difficulty with interacting with women was another factor. When we finally had a proper discussion about it, he told me that he didn't have an issue with PMO but that he had been having gender dysphoria his whole life.

    As I understand it, he was disgusted and ashamed by the sight of his own genitals and could not identify at all with being male. As such, he had never had a problem with fapping or PMO, because why bother to pleasure yourself with organs that you think don't belong to you? Additionally, the reason he wasn't good at interacting with women was that, although he was attracted to them, initiating anything would have meant effectively "being the man in the relationship", so that wasn't an option to him.

    Coming out has actually been the best thing for her. She has finally been able to get a handle on her identity and she has been motivated to start exercising, go on a diet and lose weight after years of being overweight. This has only come about (as in she has found the strength to come out) through a lot of therapy though. She is now going through the process of changing her gender. She is going through hormonal replacement therapy in preparation for surgery. It is worth mentioning that to go through this process, a lot of psychological and physical testing is required to ensure that this irreversible change to her physical gender is the best possible outcome of the situation for her, both physically and mentally.

    So David, this may or may not be equivalent to your situation but, having discussed it with my friend, she believes that you are suffering from some sort of gender dysphoria, particularly characterised by this quote below. She recommends going to see a psychologist to start undergoing therapy to see exactly what your situation is and what your problems are.
    Additionally, I do not think documenting your experiences on this forum, or using nofap as your means of gender exploration is the best of ideas. I don't know how you're going to get people to naturally behave around you as if you were a woman, even if you told them you wish to be identified as such. I think the best thing to do here would be to seek professional help.

    Regardless, I wish you the best of luck with your endeavours. Some people will not understand what you're going through, and some people won't want to understand. But stay strong through this. I hope my friend's story can provide some insight to you, and perhaps even others on the forum.

    Best wishes
     
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  5. CountryDude

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    I think you mean sex, not gender. When you look between your legs you can identify your sex.

    Gender isn't physical.
     
  6. axy_david

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    In my class girls never hung out with boys, dunno why tho.
    I went to 5 psychologists and some doctors about it, they disagreed with each-other and that was more confusing than helping.
    When I was talking about women being victims of society I was specifically meaning them trying to please other people or at least being in line with the society's view on beauty. It was related to the fact that I hate makeup.
     
  7. axy_david

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    THIS!
     
  8. axy_david

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    I'll make a new account as a women, never specifying the ties to this one, I think it's pretty easy to get people to see you as a women in a forum on-line, just select the gender as a woman, now you're a woman :p
     
  9. axy_david

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    this, THISSSSS!!!!
     
  10. Elduderino

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    You know what guys, for most of my life I have felt and thought that I am Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governor of California.

    I will now use this opportunity to behave in such a manner.

    I don't care that I'm not really Arhnold ze Gahvernator but my whole life I've felt like I'm a governator in a man's body.

    I'm sick of being told that I will never be governator. So from this point on I will pretend that I am and if I like it then I will work on my Austrian accent, get muscles, become Mister universe, go to orgies and finally pursue politics.

    One day, maybe just one day I will actually become Arnold Schwarzenegger. They say that if you believe in something enough and if you really work hard you can achieve it.

    Hasta la vista... Baby.
     
  11. axy_david

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    Good luck man! I hope you become Armold! It's definitely possible! Also good luck with getting attention from feminine girls!
     
  12. Elduderino

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    That's what I thought, don't anyone dare judge me on my quest to become Aarghnold ze Gahvernator or else you just don't understand my true identity.

    I am actually taking the hormone and steroid supplements right now. I'm glad my doctor for some reason agrees with my decision to become Arnie.

    I'll be back.
     
  13. axy_david

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    I like you man, let's make fun of sin, 'cause that's what the bible says we should.
     
  14. Elduderino

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    Vaaht? Ze gahvernator haas no room for religion.

    You maahst be cahnfused.

    Say, you seem like a pretty lady.
    I wahs invihted to han orrgie tonight if you arhe eenterehsted.

    On another note, the Bible says to stop sin. If you know that what you're doing is sin then I think you should reconsider your actions.
    I'm not just making fun of you, I'm providing you with an accurate reflection of a confused identity, not to mock or hurt you but so you can see how silly it would be for you to try become a woman.
     
  15. cryptifly

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    Just saying "how silly it would be for you to try to become a woman" is hurtful and ignorant. Sometimes people just don't feel comfortable in their own skin and need to find a different way of expressing themselves.
     
  16. axy_david

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    Should I also laugh at how pathetic you look when trying to get some random church girls attention? Or when you feel so proud of yourself when you engaged in a convo with a girl?
    I don't not because I can't but because I don't see providing you with an accurate reflection of a confused way of socializing with girls will result in a constructive criticism.
     
  17. axy_david

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    It's OK, I already forgave him, after all this is what Jesus set as a standard.
     
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  18. Jongleerbeer

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    Well that sucks. No one can solve that. It seems that you will create your female alter ego despite some warnings of me and other members.

    Please keep in mind that your body is male for now, and that generally speaking pretending to be someone you are not is not psychologically healthy.
     
  19. axy_david

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    Hopefully I won't mess myself up more than I already am. I appreciate the fact that you guys specified the risks of doing so, I'll try not to get attached too much of that persona. I'm going in, wish me luck.
     
  20. Elduderino

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    I feel really sorry for you.

    I'm not saying this to intentionally offend you. But I know that being this confused must really suck.

    I forgive you for ignorantly thinking you understand my religion and my relations with women and if I have unintentionally offended you I apologise too.

    But dang, I really hope you see what you're missing out on by fulfilling your biological role as a man. You were born this way for good reason son.
     

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