Is there really an Evil Person ? Does Evil Exist ?

In my opinion we live in this dualism, the Hive-Consciousness is mulded to have a precise idea of "good and bad". But who, in this world, belive to be the bad guy? Only an idiot can answer "I want to be the bad guy" due to all the movies he seen where the bad guy maybe is a cool character. A criminal that try to escape from police think to be good, the cops are the bad guys from his point of view. Also in politic, the communists belive to be the good guys and the fascists are bad, but is the same thing for fascists, communists are a plague for them. They are sure about their conviction, they need an enemy. Same for other ideology, and today there is plenty, Femminism; LGBT+; Climate change activists; ProVax; NoVax; Sport Ultras, ecc...they always need an enemy. I watch all of this from outside and i ask to myself why we are so stupid, we are limited, we cannot cooperate and love each other as humans and we pass our time to find an enemy, we deny to ourself the chance to evolve.

We can have our different opinions and learn from other ideas, no needs of "react with stomach" as we say and refuse everything is not comformed to our belives (Right and Left) or will be mere research of power, ego, ecc..

Despite 90% of the population in this world use the right emisphere of the brain (female-creative-spiritualist), this society use the left emisphere (male-mechanic-materialist). Too brainwashed to try to use both, we received both the emispheres i want remember to you, not only one.

Sometime i think the option for some of us is to do like the book "The Neverending Story" were the citzens of Spook City just jump voluntarily inside the Nothing due to despair.

About that thing about... "get dopamine when kill an animal" a guy that do it i think is just unevoluted or confirm the theory of "NPC people/soulless" but i rather to think they are just sleeping for internal dialogue, mostly of meat eater would refuse to kill an animal and eat it, they are unable to do it. There is a nice article about it by Valentin Bulgakov (Vegetarian news, 1932), about what i am saying, you can read it, is interesting: https://ivu.org/congress/wvc32/bulgakov.html

At least i can say: There is Good, and is real only when you preclude division, hate, violence, revenge, ecc...how many time i eard or read: "we need to make justice, kill him". Justice does not work in this way..and also hollywood movies, how many times the "good guy" kill other people? Despite they wamt to kill him, he is not better than them, because he kill. I know many will not understand and think this is all bullshit, belive what you want, i have been communist, i have been fascist, i know all of this just bring to a cliff.

 

In spirituality, how humans treat others is just reflection how they treat themselves

In psyhology, all humans view themselves as nice people, good people. When they doing a bad things they will try to justify it, blame another person for them doing bad things, change memory (literally change memory) or ignore it and do it all to maintain positive self images, humans are evolutionary that way becouse it was useful for survival. I`ve heard of studies like this: prisoners was asked what they thinking of themselves and literally every prisoner believe they are better people than everyone else outside of prison. Soldiers who did genocides was asked what they think about their actions and they all said they are innocent people, didn`t even asked anyting about their victims or what happened to people in camps and they claimed they are innocent and even nice people who always did their duty. You ask me.... all humans doing what is `bad` not becouse they are `evil` but becouse they are doing it unconciously, they are not aware what they are doing. Humans are thinking they are much smarter than other animals but they really aren`t. They are biggest animals, you see how much porn has power over them and controlling them... humans are just animals that do things unconciously, all bad things which ever happened on this earth is becouse they do it unconciously, humans are not evil, humans are dumb. That is my claim. Humans are dumb.

`ego is forcing us to always think good about ourselves, when someone without expecting exposes us for something bad we did anger and fear are rising up as soldiers to protect that ego`

My advice? Don`t see world as a `good` and `evil` that will create a hell in your mind

 

Very smart answer

 

This is what I feel is one of the largest problems in philosophy. Start by defining what "good" and "evil" are. What is evil? (You can try to answer that yourself) What criteria must something meet in order to be considered evil, and how do we know this?

Some other, similarly difficult questions come up. Are good/evil real qualities or abstract ideas that we made up? Does it even make sense to call something good or evil? There are several schools of thought, neither of which I feel are more justified than the other (except skepticism). Though some are probably more useful.

Moral realism is the most common position, and holds that there are some objectively true moral statements which exist in the real world and are independent of our subjective experiences or attitudes. These objective values may come from something in nature, from a god, or something else.

Some forms of moral realism include:

• Divine command theory: morality is objectively determined by God. Some (like myself) would argue that this is actually a form of subjectivism, since morality is dermined by the subjective attitudes of God
• Naturalism: moral values are inherent traits which can be explained using observations of natural reality
• Consequentialism: morality is not a trait of actions themselves, but of their consequences.
  • Utilitarianism: probably the most well-known consequentialist ethical theory, and in my opinion one of the most interesting and groundbreaking moral philosophies. Moral acts are determined by whether they increase or decrease well-being.
  • Egoism: whatever benefits the ego, or the individual observer, is moral
  • Altruism: a moral act is one which benefits everyone except the individual

Moral skepticism does not make any claims about morality at all, or claims that we cannot or do not currently know if moral values exist.

At the other end of the spectrum is moral anti-realism, which includes anyone not in the above two categories. These, in my opinion, are the most interesting positions, though I don't know if I agree with any of them. Some examples include:

• Moral nihilism: the claim that all moral statements are false - that is, nothing is capable of being be right or wrong
  • Error theory (very interesting, here is more reading): moral statements make false presuppositions about reality, and are thus constructed in error and therefore false
  • Fictionalism: the theory that moral values are neither true or false since they do not describe literal truths about reality, but that it is useful to pretend as such
• Non-cognitivism (also interesting): the belief that moral knowledge is impossible - that is, moral statements are not actually valid propositions, but reflections of our emotions (emotivism), or non-declarative speech acts, such as "Do not kill!" or "Boo to killing!"
• Expressivism: the idea that moral propositions are not statements about some object, but rather our own individual attitudes. For example, "Killing is wrong" = "I dislike killing". These statements may be true or false.
• Moral relativism: moral values can be true or false, but vary with respect to time, place, or individual perspectives
• Ethical subjectivism: moral statements are valid propositions which may be true or false, but their truth or falsity is determined by subjective attitudes.

That's enough for now. Basically, there are a lot of questions and very few answers. For general philosophy reading, I recommend Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy or just Wikipedia.

 

that's right, but that's not black or white.
Our past and our inner unconscious guide us, but personal growth , continuous discovery and relationship with the world is a choice.
there is no total predestination

Plus you most consider most of evil people do not do evil act because they are conscious that to kill someone will get them to prison.
It is the same reason why many pedophiles do not commit sexual abuse. There is a society, there are the same rules for everyone.

Violate these social rules and you get consequences. That's a choice , we are not machines programmed by our past.

In fact it's possible with psychotherapy to treat these mental disease where someone is not empathic.

So you have a sort of control on life , but it sure is less than what people think

 

This is a pretty heavy subject bruh.

You can define "good" and "evil" in a multitude of ways. You can make arguments as to how much we are molded by nature or nurture, how much we choose, how much is predetermined for us. You can eventually enter the realm of religion or metaphysics.

I personally like how Dante tried to frame evil in the Inferno, his vision of what Hell would look like in The Divine Comedy. Before Dante enters the gates of Hell, his tour guide Virgil warns him that this is where people go who have lost the power of reason.

As Dante goes deeper into Hell, the people he meets are increasingly lacking in self-awareness and self-reflection. They become more and more unaware of their current position and how they ended up there. At one point in the 9th circle of Hell, he finds two people frozen in ice right next to each other. I think one of them was gnawing on the other. They are both horrible people who feuded with each other in life and endlessly blame each other for their very unfortunate status in the afterlife. Neither owns up to what they have done, both believe their punishment is unjust and are unable to comprehend it. Dante gives up trying to talk to them and moves on.

It's something like that, everybody likes to believe they are the "good guy" and that any morally questionable act they perform is justified because of their environment or that the actions of somebody else compelled them to respond in kind. Everybody can find some way to rationalize and justify their actions, but as a result they become increasingly blind to who they are and what they've become. If you never question yourself, never check if your actions match up with how you like to perceive yourself, you can become the "bad guy" and never realize it.

 

dante the guy who put muhammad in hell.

 

If it makes you feel better, he put a few popes and bishops in Hell as well.

 

from a cow pov you are evil i am sure.

 

Are you sure about that? I mean, I'm evil as evil can be, I know that, I can reflect on things done, usually with regret instead of blaming others, and I strive to keep my own evil capacities at bay...
Because I don't want to be evil, but as a human and the dualistic nature of our psyche, evil is a part of me, and sometimes has got the best of me, on purpose.

Good and Evil are viewpoints, two sides of the same coin, opposite perspectives, that's all.

And yes....sorry I can't help to put this to close the reply...

 

from what you wrote you are not evil, an evil person is a sociopath he know what he is doing and he revel in it, he certainly don't want to stop or change, now a guy drinking and beating his wife then saying he is sorry and he is gonna change only to do it again you call such individual "asshole".

 

Each person has a good inclination and an evil inclination. The person has a totally free choice to do good or evil, but evil attracts with bigger power, and the person has to learn to not yield to this inclination to do evil. The choice is yours but there are urges to do bad and less powerful urges to do good.
You have to find the roots of the problems. If you do something bad to someone, the root lies in your ego, or the inability to give up pleasure for some time or something.

As you improve your character, as you learn to be humble, patient, forgiving those who ask for forgiveness, self-control, abstain from unnecessary things, and do more good, the more good you will like to do and it will become your new normal.

The evil person's problem is that he is greedy, egocentric, wants pleasure and everyone to do what he says etc.

 

I'm good too, I'm both, and so are you, and so is everyone, that's the point.
Also I was alluding to the fact that I don't lie to myself thinking I'm all good.
Also sociopath are damaged people, evil is how you see them.
Sociopaths may want to change. Psychopaths are a different thing, as they have a severe or total impairement of the structures that deal with empathy. A sociopath can do something thinking is the best thing to do, "evil" thing, and after a while then feel regret, because although they are psychologically damaged, they still have empathy.

And a guy that does what you said I would describe it as a drunk cunt.

 

We have freedom of choice to do good or carry out evil acts and there are consequences to those choices for us as individuals and to those affected by them. No-one is born evil.

 

This is really a deep deep question.

I believe from my mind that it comes in all shape and forms as does good come from. I believe that yes you can be born evil or have a problems since birth. I've seen so many detective shows where the person has had a bad cases since Childhood. My mother actually watches them allot.

Or its just the way your living like if you originate from a gang, bad parenting, but aside from bad parenting along with good parenting you can end up with someone who is "unstable". But it's their choice in there actions that make them who they are. Even still they can have cognitive problems with Brain functioning which makes me think although they really can't help it. But Evil can take over and make someone go down the wrong road even with a perfect childhood.

I've listened to this and followed it to this day and I think it may be interesting to you. But a famous wrestler by the name of Chris Benoit was a prime example. Someone who has snapped over time and gone crazy. Leading to a demise for the family and himself.

 

I know people that are listening to metal music, having long hairs and worshiping satan, i was hanging out with them long time ago before even covid. They took genre from music and putting that on their identity, having strong egos becouse they thinking they are much smarter than other people becouse they chose to listen to music which is not mainstream, other people are sheeps becouse they listening to what is served to them. While they too are sheeps in everything else, just in music they are not, and they thinking they are smartest . They are often even saying that, that they are way smarter than other people lol. Smarter my ass

They are worshiping satan, sharing articles where they seen religious guys who beat up lesbian girls, becouse they are lesbians. And then they started saying how religious people are bad and saying `hail satan` see? From perspective of people that are worshiping satan, satanists are good people and religious people are bad people. From perspective of religious people, those satans are bad people becouse they are worshiping satan, and lesbians are bad people too from their perspective

 

What's on with you and metalheads? Yeah yeah some of them are total douchebags, but, like, not all of them...

I used to hang around with them and apart of one complete nuthead, no one, and I say, no one I used to hang around with at the time, hailed satan or whatever.
They have some sort of complex or mental problem I cannot put my finger on though, not all, but a vast majority of them.

Totally agree with the viewpoint part though.

 

You'd be surprised.

By naturally evil, I'm assuming you mean someone who is born with a vindictive nature and isn't a mere byproduct of his experiences in life.

To answer your question, yes. Selfishness and a lack of compassion constitute a fertile soil for the birth and proliferation of all acts of evil.

And what of psychopaths and narcissists? Such traits have been proven to share a strong genetic influence and impact one's perception of the world even before it has an opportunity to impact the individual.

The problem here is that just because you understand the biochemical basis for something doesn't constitute grounds for you to belittle it to that level. Understanding the "how" does not answer the "why". Common misconception.

And our bodies are prisoners of the laws of thermodynamics. That doesn't mean you can adequately define a human within the framework of, say, entropy. As you go from one level of understanding to another, a different approach must be superimposed on all those that came before it: the entire scope of your definition has changed, after all.

Mainly the Prefrontal cortex, predominantly Broadmann's areas 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 with significant influence from areas 42 and iirc 6.

See what I mean now? It is absurd to extrapolate an elaboration of "how" to answer other modalities of inquiry.

The fact remains that we really cannot answer this question adequately on a plane that can equally satisfy both the scientific and philosophical perspectives. Good question. Your thoughts on it?

That's a sad perspective. The simplest proof of the opposite is to commit acts of extreme good or evil. You can, at any given moment of your choosing, inflict such severe wounds (not necessarily physical) on someone that would alter the course of their entire life. The same goes for acts of good. You are 1 donation away from possibly funding someone's life dream into reality.

The opportunities are almost endless.

I agree with only the latter half of this statement. Luck does exist per se, but it's frankly better to call it "chance" to avoid associating it with any form of bias.

 

I don't think so