1. Welcome to NoFap! We have disabled new forum accounts from being registered for the time being. In the meantime, you can join our weekly accountability groups.
    Dismiss Notice

P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

Tags:
  1. ForeverForward

    ForeverForward Fapstronaut

    14
    18
    3
    Hello all.

    I’ve dealt with PAWS from 2017 and am still dealing with it today. I relapsed many times, but recently I’ve just hit a 366 day streak of no PMO. I truly believe the only way to recover from this is to abstain entirely.

    My symptoms used to consist of : anxiousness, panic attacks, anhedonia, no motivation, fatigue, many of the symptoms you all deal with. The only symptom I deal with today is brain fog / depersonalization, as well as black eye floaters.

    I’ve read plenty of the thread, but not all of it. One thing I don’t understand is why some of you believe you can recover even while having sex and and MO’ing. You’re still messing up your brain, even if it’s to something normal (like with a girl, or just by yourself). You’ve abused yourself for so long, and for some reason you still want to abuse yourself even further. The only people I’ve seen claiming to recover from this are those who quit it ENTIRELY.

    Though my age on this account says 40, I’m only 19. Some of you I know may have a girlfriend or even a wife, but this I think all boils down to a do or die situation. Even kissing and other sexual things, as one person here said : you must be STARVED from this.

    Many of you will call me a conspiracy theorist, but I will also say : you should not take the COVID vaccine. The last thing you want in your body when dealing with this condition is an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine which hasn’t even been out for more than a year. This isn’t a traditional vaccine either, it’s a new kind of vaccine. I know I’ll get backfire for this, but us men do not know fully about this condition we deal with. I also believe those dealing with PAWS should not take any anti-depressants, prescription drugs that help you, etc. I think we must all try to be “natural” here. It’s better to be safe than sorry. I read the story of one guy on here who’s relying on prescription drugs for his paws, saying something along the lines of “if I have to take this forever to feel good than I will”. He says he went on a two year streak (or longer I believe) but was it really a streak? Did he fully abstain in PMO, or just P?

    I encourage you all to look towards God and find him. I like to think of these struggles as our chance to wake up. Maybe we were chosen, maybe this was to happen to us for a reason. Maybe to not only free ourselves from this evil grasp which has dominated our lives for years and years, but to redeem ourselves in the eyes of our creator.

    I wish you all the best of luck. When I recover, I’ll be back.
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2021
  2. The last two posts are spot on.

    The elephant in the room that I believe gets tiptoed around is that PMO addiction (or any sex addiction really) ultimately boils down to orgasm addiction. For people whose addictions have gotten bad enough to find their way to these forums the best remedy is complete cessation of all sexual activity. Some people might not like it but I believe that is the truth.

    Everybody has their own recovery goals so I don't want to come off like a crusader. I'll just say that my goal is to give my sexuality a 100% all expense paid vacation until I am back to normal function. If it takes five or ten years so be it. I only want to do this once and get it out of the way forever.

    Re: antidepressants. My horrendous PAWS from alcohol let up 21 months after I got sober and then I was completely free. Had I started taking ADs who knows what mental/physical condition I would have ended up in. Just wanted to throw that out there.
     
  3. wfcasdvwervdsv

    wfcasdvwervdsv Fapstronaut

    84
    80
    18
    I agree with the majority of what you said, thanks for sharing. I wouldn't be so cautious of the vaccine though, it's highly unlikely to have any effect on PAWS and if it does then it would make sense that actually getting COVID would have a greater negative effect on PAWS.

    I would say that if you need the vaccine as you're vulnerable then don't hesitate to take it because of PAWS, if you're not at risk then it wouldn't be such a risky decision to not get it. Like I said before I had the vaccine quite some time ago now and my PAWS has stayed on the path of extremely slow non-linear improvement.
     
    zander13 and Dave G 123 like this.
  4. ForeverForward

    ForeverForward Fapstronaut

    14
    18
    3
    I don’t understand your argument. How would getting COVID (a coronavirus, in which multiple corona viruses have been around for a very long time) effect your PAWS worse than a vaccine (which is new, this vaccine is not just like a regular vaccine) made in a laboratory? I say this with no disrespect towards you.

    There is a reason there is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), in which as of November 2020, 4.4 billion dollars have been given to those who’ve had complications.

    The truth is, we don’t know how it’ll effect us. The same people who tell us to take this vaccine mind you, are the same ones that tell us porn is good (Metro UK, Salon, Medical News Today, and plenty of others). I’ll leave you with this.

    The last thing that needs to happen to us is something to mess us up even more. Many people have different reactions to the vaccine, thankfully you’re doing well (but in a year, who knows. Remember, nobody has done any real trials of this mRNA vaccine for COVID).
     
  5. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    Wait so you're 19 and you've had PAWS for a year? What did you beat off 10 times a day since birth
     
  6. Humanexperiments

    Humanexperiments Fapstronaut

    39
    91
    18
    I had PIED when I was 16. I started watching porn at around 12, but was masturbating before that. I dont find it strange at all that a 18 year old has paws.
     
  7. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    How much did you PMO before you started NoFap? I am curious because I find it crazy, I am also 19 and going through anxiety and depression since hitting the 40 day mark of an 116 day streak which ended a few months ago. I PMO'ed for 2.5 or 3 years and I wouldn't consider it a super heavy problem, I was still super involved, had a ton of friends, and even dated some girls while trying to get my streaks off the ground. I have again been struggling not to PMO lately, but don't think that this is all just PMO? I mean, you said even kissing and sexual activity should not be done when recovering. I've found myself too anxious to interact with many people lately but I know that dating a girl would surely help me mentally and make me more positive. But many would say that is good because it rewires your brain to real life women. I used to be anti pre-marital sex, but I believe that sex in the context of a relationship is unbelievably good for a man.
     
  8. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    Yes, I have had a bit of it over the past few months, but for me this stuff is mostly mental. My attraction to women was always there regardless of my level of depression. I still was horny af so I feel like it was something different than the flatline
     
    Humanexperiments likes this.
  9. wfcasdvwervdsv

    wfcasdvwervdsv Fapstronaut

    84
    80
    18
    I assumed your reasoning for thinking the vaccine could worsen PAWS is because of the immune system response from it which of course would have been present in coronavirus. I understand your argument that coronavirus has been long time but struggling to see why you think that means it would have mercy on PAWS. PAWS is a very new phenomenon which is not well understood so the fact that coronavirus is old is not relevant at all. Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s PAWS friendly, nature can be nasty.

    I just don’t see your reasoning to how the vaccine would link to PAWS, which is likely a disorder of the limbic system, asides from the immune response which is why I assumed that’s what you meant.

    And to think a substance will not affect you after taking it but will suddenly cause catastrophic effects in the future from just 1 or 2 doses is totally unrealistic, you can see this from radiation poisoning perhaps or from prolonged ingestion of some substances like maybe vegetable oils. However, it’s crazy to think the vaccine would do this. When you get injected with a toxic substance it effects you immediately, not after a long time randomly.

    If your at risk from Covid I would advise getting the vaccine, don’t risk your life for something not based on any scientific reasoning whatsoever. It’s very easy to succumb to fear mongering. If your not at risk then there’s no harm in not getting the vaccine I guess. Just don’t want anyone here to make any ill informed decisions which could have huge consequences.

    And there’s plenty of media which has spoke out about the harm of porn which still backs the vaccine, you can’t put all the media in one group.

    If you’re scared of the new mRNA vaccine then just get Oxford.
     
  10. I've been searching for the words to accurately convey how my healing is going so hopefully this will make sense.

    Yesterday afternoon I was at a shopping mall, there were plenty of attractive women walking around. As I would pass by a female and admire her beauty it was dawning on me that I'm not "seeing" women visually per se but rather I'm sensing their feminine energy.

    One thing I've never really paid attention to is how women walk. The feminine gait is very appealing. Female nature in general is just so beautiful to me.

    My nerves started to get tingly but it wasn't some creepy, lecherous thing. It was as if my nerves were an antenna picking up on those feminine energy waves.

    This is what is buried underneath all the years of sickness and addiction. This is healing.
     
  11. jayyad

    jayyad Fapstronaut

    68
    58
    18
    I sometimes think about what this addiction has really done to me, what is has made me lose, and what it will make me lose down the line as I recover. It’s like your life slipping away from you, and there’s literally nothing you can do. It’s not like a drug where you knew there were downsides, it’s new, you are literally being tested on. I have been on this journey for who knows how long by now, but my serious journey started 150 days ago,I tried using a girl to reboot, but it’s obvious my brain needs more time without any form of sexual contact. I am a test subject, no doctor can help me, but it’s my job to do whatever it takes to get though this and help those who will suffer after me.
     
  12. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    I bet you’re PAWS stopped bc you started having sex
     
  13. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    It’s not different
     
  14. Different Built

    Different Built Fapstronaut

    391
    294
    63
    Are you feeling better now
     
  15. Depressed&Out

    Depressed&Out Fapstronaut

    376
    248
    43
    I'm experiencing the same thing with me (but not every time - just every now and then). Unfortunately, the feeling is ever so faint.

    Even with 3 years no PMO.
     
    Don Quixote and Freeddom_Taker like this.
  16. KaliYugaWarrior

    KaliYugaWarrior Fapstronaut

    74
    77
    18
    I'm fucked up real bad. Probably one of the severe cases. I developed anemia because of pmo (low levels of iron and b12). Got down from 89 to 68. Became extremely weak and now I have terrible pain in my knees. Leaking precum like every hour. And no I'm not edging. I've a fissure and pelvic muscles are too tight. Had to leave my job because I could not handle one bit of stress. Fuck this. Have lost everything. Don't know what to do. Want to go out...but the covid is at it's peak here right now. Hundreds of people dying here everyday. And I'm dying slowly. Guess it's alright.
     
    zander13 and Freeddom_Taker like this.
  17. I have some progress to report regarding the flatline.

    During the first year of my recovery I would get these dull headaches from any source of dopamine. I couldn't listen for music for too long at a time. Once I was at a casino playing some video poker and got a headache after awhile. I generally stay away from sweets but having the occasional ice cream would give me an awful headache.

    The aches and brain fog still haven't disappeared 100% but the baseline is way higher now compared to the first year.

    My penile sensitivity is improving by about 1% a day. Overall I'm still in flatline but the nerve sensations are slowly becoming more noticeable to me. This morning in particular the frenulum has become way more responsive. For most guys it is an erogenous zone but due to my addiction I had lost all sensitivity there.

    I did indulge in some sexual thoughts for a little bit and was able to achieve 50% erection for several minutes. Really I shouldn't test it like that but I was curious to see what would happen.

    I had woken up this morning completely refreshed with no aches or brain fog. After testing myself there is now a pronounced headache deep in my skull and pressure on the third eye.

    The majority of reboot reports I've read seem to indicate that libido just wakes up out of nowhere. My experience thus far is that there is slow incremental improvement after a long flatline.

    I'll do my best to avoid further indulgence in sexual thoughts as a means of testing myself.
     
    zander13 and Don Quixote like this.
  18. Bright Man-02

    Bright Man-02 Fapstronaut

    97
    130
    33
    So you made out of this PAWS hell or still going through?
     
  19. jayyad

    jayyad Fapstronaut

    68
    58
    18
    Do you have a story somewhere I can read? Or can you tell me what age you started watching porn and if you ever suffered no libido / PIED.
     
    Don Quixote and Bright Man-02 like this.
  20. ForeverForward

    ForeverForward Fapstronaut

    14
    18
    3
    Since I was 12. Maybe around 5-8 a day? It was a lot. This was all the time. There really wasn’t a day when I didn’t do anything.

    It might make develop some positivity, but it’ll hinder your recovery. If it’s prolonging for that long, you’re going to want to go cold on really everything for a good while. There’s more to life than just pretty girls and having a relationship. I won’t comment on the thought of sex being good for a man or not, but it definitely isn’t during recovery of the brain. I don’t think truly anything to stimulate a man being kissing or whatever else is.

    And you’re just dealing with anxiety and depression? If you have any other symptoms, let me know. If I was in your position, I’d go cold turkey. No women. No porn, no nothing.
     
    Freeddom_Taker likes this.

Share This Page