If you're ever looking for a reason to never watch pornography again

What you just said is probably the most uneducated statement I've ever seen on this site.

You can't just make a bunch of vague, misleading, or intentionally deceitful claims and then list a bunch of sources and say you're right. That's not how it works.

For example, it says "10% of 12-13 year olds fear they're addicted." Why did they use such a narrow age bracket? Did they only use 12-13 yo's because 10% was the highest ratio they could find? Did these 12 or 13 yo's have an adequate understanding of how addiction works? What questions were these children asked in order to form this data point? Why did the graphic say "fear they're addicted" rather than "believe they're addicted" or "are addicted"? I fear my house burning down but that doesn't mean my house is actually on fire.

Propaganda definition from a bing search: "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view."

The data you posted is biased and misleading, as I've just shown. Therefore, it is propaganda.

By the way, I don't disagree that there are valid reasons for people to never watch porn again. I just find it problematic that these reasons should be based on propaganda. A good reason to not watch porn again is because we use it impulsively and to an extent where it creates negative consequences in our lives that we wish to avoid. That's the only reason we need, and doesn't require any scientific data whatsoever.

 

Of course it won't, porn is a part of human history, modern porn is problematic though.

 

Not just parental control, but parental morality.

 

It means not using condom as often.

There can be multiple factors, and I guess it would be difficult to pin point, but certainly there's a big trend in not using condom, not even for anal sex.

With gays, is more and more common even on casual sex. "Bareback" is depicted as sexier vs. Condom sex in porn, and so do people get conditioned into following that pattern.

 

What a pointless dispute, really. You (talking to the harmfulness deniers here) could argue this way about the harmfulness of pretty much everything, ranging from smoking tobacco to paedophilia (some paedophiles often argue that their habit “harms nobody” because “the children never complained”).

If I were to claim here that pornography destroys families and prevents new ones from being established and cited scientific data to back this claim, you guys would probably say that the world is overpopulated anyway and families are not a prerequisite for happiness. And that my surveys were flawed because you know better.

So, from this example we can see that every “harmfulness” can be questioned because different people have different views on whether a particular phenomenon is in fact a problem or not. Which, again, makes this whole discussion pointless.

The presented infographic does have scientific sources referenced though, and if you are to question each of them separately, then good luck and go ahead. I don’t care much about them anyway, as I have my personal reasons for not watching porn, one of which is: I don’t want to be a fucking pervert!

 

I was being facetious.

 

I don’t absolve these actresses of their own personal responsibility.

 

I was reading a book, that mainly focused about how Porn is harfmul because of this.

However, I think that given the trends, it's not the focus I find the most... convincing. Yes, a lot of actresses have a very bad time working in the porn industry.

But there's an increasing trend of moving power from big companies, to personal accounts (OnlyFans and the rest of similar services).

If individual freedom is a value cherished, would be difficult to advocate to make illegal for women to work in porn because of bad treatment.

If the problem is the bad treatment porn actresses receive, and argument can be made to improve the working situation of porn actresses (And I agree to that), including syndicates, laws, enforcement, raising awareness, for people to make formal complaints. Also, empowering "Porn entrepreneurship" that seems to have exploted with the pandemic. Anyone can open a OnlyFans account and cater to its niche.

But none of this reflects the effects of porn viewership.

 

I agree with what you say. And it is in line with trends around sex-work, etc. Manhattan (New York City) just announced that the would no longer charge sex workers with prostitution, recognizing in many cases the sex workers are victims as well. Many other US cities are doing this as well.

There also a recognition that making prostitution illegal fell unfairly more on women and trans individuals. (The offense was referred to, in slang, as "walking while trans.")

Now Manhattan will continue to prosecute pimps, traffickers, etc. who exploit sex workers. That seems fair.

They are also going to continue to prosecute people who buy sex from prostitutes. I get that this is viewed also as exploitation. But it seems contrary to the idea that sexworkers shouldn't be prevented from offering there "services." It seems unbalanced to prosecute the buyer when the seller is exempt. But given that historically the sellers got prosecuted and the buyers went free, maybe there is some sort of historical justice in this.

 

What a pile of BS! No legislation is going to fix problems of a primarily ethical and moral nature. And talking about “exploitation” with regard to hookers who probably make more money than the average Walmart cashier (even with a pimp above them) is obviously Marxist nonsense.

 

I remember someone quoting a philosopher or someone here in the past who said that pornography must simply start being perceived by the majority as repulsive aesthetically and emotionally, where instead of the internal conflict (“to watch or not to watch”) there is only the chaste heart hungry for natural intimacy with an emotional bond between the lovers, and where sexual exhibitionism is looked upon as what it in fact is: a desire for attention from the outside caused by a spiritual void inside.

You guys think it’s just “fun and sexy” when random people post videos of themselves having sex for all to see? I can bet my dick that 90% of them regretted it afterwards, sooner or later, when the sexual cravings dropped down - often after a breakup, divorce or some other internal emotional crisis caused by leading a life devoid of solid emotional closeness with another being.

 

There's multiple tools and assessments that are used in studies to indicate what is considered "addicted" vs "not addicted". In other words, they wouldn't need to understand addiction, they just answer questions about porn frequency, thought process about porn, etc.

This would have been part of the debriefing after the survey was taken. That is why the terminology was used like it was.

I agree, that from a personal standpoint, the reasons to quit watching should show some benefits to the user. However, the science behind it should be known as well, considering the structural changes that occur in the brain.

I'm trying to understand why you feel the infographic is propaganda. If I shared a link that took you to a scientific study discussing the neuroscience behind porn addiction, would that be propaganda as well? Please elaborate what about it is considered misleading if you will.

 

Who is we? Society? Government? Individuals?



Also, we don't value freedom. We value control. The reason we value control is because we can't handle our own inner situations. Everyone thinks everyone else is a mess only because they see themselves as a mess, it is a projection. Rather than dealing with his own inner world he tries to impose that on the external world. The freedom that is known throughout the world ,this day and age, is a response to the imposition of control. That is, it is an idea derived in an attempt to express that which control takes away.

Is it freedom to destroy your liver by drinking? No, it is not. It is compulsive to drink, it isn't freedom.

Would women really want to sell their bodies for money? Would they? Is that really their freedom? No, this act, this willingness, is a response to the sh**show that men have brought about in the recent century. Women are seen as objects, just a place for some man who can't control himself to put his little existence (because men are lost in compulsions).