Nofap is nonsense?

If sperm HAD TO be released, why does the body have a mechanism for reabsorbing it? You don't hold it in indefinitely, only a couple months. Nofap isnt about "OMG masturbation bad". Ethanol is also not a bad thing in itself. The key words are moderation and addiction. And the mechanisms for PMO addiction are the same as any other addiction, the whole bit about dopamine releases, and the receptors going "numb". And of course you feel "better" and your flatline is over once you indulge yourself a bit, so does a heroin addict calm down once he gets a new dose, withdrawal stops almost immediately. So, you really sound like an angry and frustrated person trying to justify why they quit fighting. You make a lot of accusations about the lack of scientific data, but then proceed to make claims yourself, also without any backing. But to each their own, go outside, breathe, and calm down

 

How down bad is this person, to create an account on a porn addiction recovery website, blurting out his own claims telling people that this is all bullshit.

It makes a lot of sense. Instead of running your 'it's science' cock filled mouth have a look at all the benefits people are experiencing from this. stfu about the numbers and go back to living a life being reliant on porn and fucking up your dopamine receptors instead of preying on people who want to live a life where their accomplishments are miles more sensible than jacking off to pixels on a screen.

You sound like someone in the 1900s who falsifies research of new possible scientific phenomena without hesitation or sensible consideration, the same people that doubted the scientists that got us where we are today. Shut the fuck up and get off this website, continue being a lab rat for the porn industry. We're trying to make a positive difference here

 

You must not have heard about the priests who sexually abuse kids in the many churches and non-Christian religions - or you're just so absorbed in your own confirmation bias that it's a totally one sided "argument" and will readily ignore well known facts like this that contradicts your premise. Not having sex doesn't mean they don't have sexual desire, not to mention they may in fact masturbate but not have sex with people. Or again, just SAY they don't have sex with people and in fact do so and even use their position of power to manipulate people into sex.

Libido doesn't explain everything, a large part of it is mental. The premise that it's just about physical sexual release is in itself an extremely simplistic view of the human condition.

While a lot of peoples idea about rebooting is certainly overly simplistic, so is your post. How the whole thing got started is one thing, but scientist didn't "prove it started on reddit" - that's not how studies are done. Who are your scientists, Reddit readers? Is there some internet study that you can cite for this? (which doesn't have to do whether that's true, but it has to do with whether that's something "scientists have proven") That statement is either ignorant of the scientific process or just extremely sloppy writing or possibly both.

But lets back up. Generally when someone starts with an assertion, the burden of proof or at least providing evidence and references falls on them. At best not doing so besides referencing a common site (is there a specific link to an archived post? How about you say "scientists have proven something started on Google"??) like Reddit is just lazy.

If you actually want to contribute something rather than just vent your own frustrations, please have some more specific information than the concept of confirmation bias and anecdotal evidence. You are not the first person in history to grasp those concepts.

 

I asked the following question in another thread but never got an answer: Who cares about science?

Sure, scientific studies can be interesting from an intellectual point of view, but if you're doing nofap and are experiencing benefits, then that is the only interesting thing in the end. If you've tried it and are not experiencing benefits but rather feel it's bad for you - great, you tried it, move on with your life. We can observe things by introspection and feelings by ourselves so why should we care about what any scientist says on the subject?

 

It's a question of critical thinking. First of all, I would never go with anyone who just asserts that "scientists say" - the fact that they say nothing else indicates THEY don't really care about science but are just using that as evidence to support their own biased view. So I don't think a post like this represents either science or what we should care about. It's not what scientists say, it's some random guy online who says that's what science says. Your question would be better framed as "who cares what unqualified anonymous people online think what "science says"?

Another aspect of it is how it's framed. You can be critical in your analysis of just one persons experience but be thorough, we know people don't all just try to count days while ignoring other life factors - a lot of people are working on themselves in different ways. This speaks to the introspective aspect but people with a bias will discount all that because it's easy to say things like well that's one persons experience because there isn't a large scale study. This completely ignores the fact that any good study has to control for all sorts of factors and is used in a way to support the persons bias anyway. There's a reason why mental health professionals do individual case studies. People who point to something as attracting people with mental health problems likely have an extremely simplistic view of the psyche and just has two buckets of mental category of people having psychological problems and those who don't, which is frankly a rather childish view of the nuanced reality of the mind - like there are good guys and bad guys in life. I mean please.

 

I wonder what "science says" about popping gas station rhino pills like Tic Tacs which is what the OP is fond of doing.

 

The irony of making this post criticising NoFap for not being based on science, pulling information out of nowhere and for relying on anecdotes, and then going ahead and doing the exact same thing.

 

You said this better than I ever could honestly. All I was going to say was people who view science as some sort of dogmatic belief system and not as a process of learning and testing new information are more ignorant than the people they are criticising. At least in my experience. I honestly dont care if the "science" tells me NoFap is pointless, I do it because it works for me. What right does anyone have to tell me otherwise. Oh yeah, none.

 

I agree that OP is dishonest and only uses "science" as a buzzword to make his claims appear stronger than they are. However, suppose that there are no studies to back up the claim that long term semen retention is good for you in some (more or less measurable) way. Should we care? No. And I think very few people who do nofap has actually done a literature review on the subject before they start. Do they lack critical thinking because they don't browse through the findings so far in the scientific community before they make their decision? No.

 

Yes, that's the difference between the scientific process vs. the scientific communitys current consensus - and plenty of people simply may have no opinion either way. With biohackers they talk about n=1 - you're just studying and experimenting with yourself. One can be very scientific with their own process, since that's just the only person they can monitor anyway instead of deferring to what appears to be the common understanding among most scientists. Of course, people who have a strong opposing opinion likely haven't done their homework either so all things being equal it goes back to ones own process. If someone is frustrated from their own process maybe they should question who they listened to and followed in the first place, and we know certainly not everyone has the simple don't fap for a long time approach to life and everything.

 

You seriously dont understand that this movement is not anti masturbation but anti porn? #LaughingOutLoud !!!!!

 

You are the joke.
Science is pretty clear.
Porn is detrimental to ahealthy self esteem
Porn is detrimental to healthy relationships.
Porn is detrimental to mental health.

Go get educated before spreading ignorance.

 

Plot twist: The OP is in flatline and just want a good fight in the forum to pass another day no PMO ) I hope you get to 90 days bro
*Reality: Hey OP just mind your own business, do what you want and stop "teaching us". I dont care about "your" science lol. We are fighting against Porn-the evil itself; comparing to that fact, you are just nothing, you cant persuading us lol

 

Semen retention is not a new thing it is an ancient daoist practice. Maybe it's bullshit and maybe it's not. Almost certainly some truth to it. Nofap is definitely not bullshit though.

 

I know, anecdotal evidence is not scientif evidence. And maybe the benefits of NoFap are not that good as people here tell they are, i do not know for sure.
BUT
If you have serious ED and NoFap was the only thing that helped you to get errections again and the possability to have Sex, i am happy that i have this community and this idea of NoFap exists. Because i have serious ED because of this bullshit.
And NoFap has a scientific background. It's all about the dopamine system in your brain. Maybe there are not enough studies with humans to prove anything. But this does not means that NoFap does not work. There are also no studies who disproved the benefits. You told me scientists have proven that NoFap is a joke? Show me? There no studies disproving anything. Just scientist who do not believe in Nofap. And if a scientist does not believe in something, that means nothing. He is still believing and not knowing. For disproving you need studies. Show me Bro.

And if you want to fap and watch porn, do it, i do not judge you. There are people who can do this because they are not addicted. But if once you are addicted, NoFap is the only way out. It is like with drugs. A normal person can drink a beer without getting in a bad cycle. An Alcoholic will get back in his old habits because of that beer.

Maybe you feel offended of NoFap because you can masturbate without problems and the flatline made feel you bad. So do not feel offended, feel happy that you are not addicted and masturbate if you want to do it. But do not tell us that something that helps us to get our normal lifes back is nothing more than a joke. Because NoFap is the only opportunity for me to have normal sex in my life again, to not have serious ED, fucking brain fog all the time thinking about hardcore pornstuff, camgirls and prostitutes like 24/7.

 

Spot on bro. Couldn't say it better.

 

"Scientists have proved that nofap is a joke made on Reddit" hahahahahahaha! Do they have a RJD PhD? (Reddit Joke Discovery) Then I don't believe them. That's science bro. Just trust the science and go troll elsewhere.

 

@Bandido I'm worried about you my friend... Porn and masturbation still has control over your life? Or maybe you just trying to justify your unhealthy bad habbits?

Its best to leave conspiracy theories and pseudosciences aside and stick to the real facts and real life experiences.