Masturbation: Is it Wrong or Not?

I think it's like alcohol. It's a perfectly fine indulgence for most people (even some science saying red wine is good for you), but for some it literally ruins their entire life. It depends on the kind of person you are. If you're on NoFap, you know what kind of person you are with reference to M: the kind that can't have even a little bit without going over the edge.

I like to drink scotch, but it causes me to sleep poorly so I don't do it. It's easy for me to refuse alcohol, I have no problem thinking and acting rationally about drinking. PMO and adult dating sites also cause me to lose sleep, but I still do them uncontrollably, even though I know it's harming me and I wish I could stop. So for me, alcohol is fine and sex is terrible.

Probably for most people, the shame and guilt traditionally associated with M is far worse than the act itself. So it's best to tell them "Go ahead and do it and don't worry about it," and they will just M in moderation and have a normal life. But for some people (like us), we just can't control it, and we have to approach all things sexual in a different way.

 

I ask my therapyst about masturbating, and according to she, she thinks that "there must be some sexual pleasure, so you could fap 1-2-3 times a week"....she said this...
I let her know that I'm in a reboot process, explain her what does it mean, and what are the rules, but she thinks that masturbate to your own fantasy 1-2-3 times a week during reboot is not a problem, it's rather helping the reboot process... so, what should we do ? :/

 

I know for a fact sometimes they are wrong, that could be her opinion, however she may not have been in this same situation before. She may not understand PMO addiction like we do. If you think you can, go head, but in my experience M always leads to P, atleast for me.

 

Kriss, don't listen to those "professionals" out there. I'm a paramedic...and I've seen doctors do stupid things, simply because they had too much pride to say, "I don't know." I guess too with psychologists, they try too hard to maintain the patient's confidence in them. Their patient's would probably fair better if they had a professional that would be honest with them and be more compassionate and steer them toward someone who can help. The compassion is mostly gone in these fields of study, because healthcare is mostly about money, now.
My ex-wife and I went to one of these pastor marriage counselors (I'm secular, but he was close and I wanted to give him a chance). My wife was very abusive physically. She could put on quite the show. And when the tears came, this guy was just clueless. It was almost painful to watch.
I don't think that there is anything "wrong" about the experience of sex, drinking, or even masturbation. It was probably meant to be pleasurable. How else would we have figured it out? But here's the thing; our problem wasn't with the experience of these things. It was with the constant craving between the experiences that led to our issue with these things. I feel like I speak for most of us here, that we have lost the ability to enjoy these things without craving them. And I think that "reboot" is just that. Learning how to enjoy experiences again. I, personally am not one of these people that reboot overnight. I feel that this is something I am currently undergoing. I'd like to think so.

 

Depending on your religious sect, masturbation is considered either okay or not okay and everything in between. I have seen some catholic sects say that masturbation isn't okay but to keep your boys from M they should prostate-milk them. I have read stories of parents doing that to there TEENAGE BOYS. It disgusts me on that to be honest, I can't even imagine the emotional damage they are causing. However the bible never speaks on M at any point. It does say not to lust. Some people and sects claim it is possible to M without lusting, but then others say even if it is possible than aren't you violating self-love discussions from the bible also - therefore it must not be okay either. I am curious where you find this that the bible says to "The bible also says flee youthful lust so i assume its expected in youth but as you get older you need to overcome it." I am curious as to where you pulled this last statement from that as your young it is okay and older not...

 

Catholic teachings are all recorded in the Catechism. The Catechism says this about masturbation.
"2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

2 Corinthians 12:21
"And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed."

There seem to be a lot of bible passages that refer to sexual sin, but, none that call specifically call out masturbation. Which, as with many things in the bible, is not uncommon. You would have to determine what the author meant when using those words during the time he wrote them. Lasciviousness is a vague term and could encompass masturbation. The nice thing about the Catholic church is that they claim to have a historical record that they can lean on when interpreting the bible. The excerpt from the Catechism alludes to their interpretation coming from Catholic "constant tradition", meaning, the historical understanding of the bibles teachings.

Being a Catholic, and having spent my entire life learning about Catholocism while attending Catholic schools, I have never once heard of this. If this does happen, I highly doubt it is sanctioned by the Church. Do you have any references?

EDIT:
Although I am knowledgeable of the Catholic teaching. I do not advocate in this forum for or against Catholicism. There is such a wide variety of backgrounds of people on this forum and I don't want to discourage you from following your own way through life.

 

For me I can go a while with no POM but when I start just M by myself I start to fantasize about or think about porn I've watched in the past. Sends me into relapse every time. I definitely want to avoid M by myself at all costs. Only will do it if my significant other is involved. That's my take on it... When I was a kid I started M'ing without porn... Then started watching and the jackoff clicker went up 400%... In my brain they are linked..

 

One scripture I found

Math 5:28... If you keep looking at a woman to have passion for her you have committed adultery in your heart.

 

2 timothy ch 2 verse 22 KJV. Didnt want to make this a religious discussion but it is interesting. By the way im not catholic.

 

I wish I did have the reference... I had stumbled upon it when looking into what it was during my PMO experimenting a while back. It is definitely highly illegal and I doubt the catholic church condones it, but I know some families have- at least in the past... It makes me cringe...

 

yeah, that's pretty horrible.

 

I'm trying to stay away from masturbation because everytime you ejaculate you are releasing sexual energy and it can be draining. So for me I want to keep my sexual energy in and not waste it.