Star Trek Discussion Thread

There are some romances I like but in the case of Worf and Jadzia, it seems forced. Jadzia's transformation from meek and unsure of herself to domineering warrior princess is way more jarring upon this rewatch than it was the first time. In the case of Worf it just seems like he needed something to do once the Klingon war arc was done, cause if not for the romance he would barely do anything in most of the episodes.

Doing the same, but the other way around.

Yeah the image is from their first appearance in TNG. I agree the uniforms look dumb and the reason they changed is obviously because of that, not for any in-universe reason, but I still would have liked to see some acknowledgement of it. Even if it was just some reference to changing uniforms, or if in the flashback episodes some Cardassians in the background wore the old uniform, establishing they have both. Just something simple like that.

 

Inquisition. The first appearance of perhaps DS9's most controversial element, Section 31. Personally I really like the idea and the episode itself is good, even if it plays out like a combination of The Drumhead and Future Imperfect.

 

"At oh-eight-hundred hours, station time… the Romulan Empire formally declared war against the Dominion. They've already struck fifteen bases along the Cardassian border. So, this is a huge victory for the good guys! This may even be the turning point of the entire war! There's even a "Welcome to the Fight" party tonight in the wardroom!… So… I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover up the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But most damning of all… I think I can live with it… And if I had to do it all over again… I would. Garak was right about one thing – a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it…Because I can live with it…I can live with it. Computer – erase that entire personal log."

What more needs to be said about this one?

 

I want to say I dont agree that Jadzia is the worst character (the worst main cast member at least) but honestly, every other main character is better than her so I guess she is by default. My issue with her is that her character doesnt progress, she's just a different character after the episode where she speaks to her past lives, like standing up to Curzon/Odo was enough to radically alter her personality. Compare this to say, Kira, a character who is annoying at the start, but transitions slowly over the course of seasons based on a logical progression of events.

I'll have to comment on Ezri when I get to her.

This did get me to thinking, who is the worst character in DS9 in general? With the other shows it's quite easy to pin it down, but with DS9 it's way harder. What do you think?

 

I honestly keep forgetting Jake is even in the show. I was on the verge of saying he's not even in the opening but he is lol. Thing is, there are no recurring DS9 characters that I dont like. So when I say one is "the worst" what I'm really saying is "the least good." I think for me it has to be Jake simply because he barely appears compared to other main cast members (I think there are more than 100 episode he is not in.) Keiko is annoying as hell but I dont hate her, and she is not terrible all the time.

Agreed. A major step up from the female characters in the previous shows.

 

Love Q. But He didn't work on DS9. Glad he was a one and done. If only Voyager learned that lesson.

 

Nice. Honestly my only two complaints about enterprise is the intro song and the whole xindi threat. The romance of T'pol and Trip started to get annoying after they went around and around and around before they finally just said fuck it lets go. I will say I loved Dr. Phlox, one of my favorite star trek characters.

 

I kinda feel the same way about the mirror universe stuff in DS9. At first the concept was novel but as they did it again, and again, and again, it just turned into a vehicle for Nana Visitor to dress up and ham it up something fierce.

Hot take, but I don't like what they did with the mirror universe in general after TOS. I think a much more powerful concept would be have the Terran Empire be the ones who occupy Bajor in the alternate timeline, and have the entire premise of main DS9 inverted as a result. They really missed the opportunity to have the mirror Cardassians be much more benevolent and have mirror Dukat be some selfless military leader who is fighting to free Bajor from a tyrannical Sisko.

 

The episode you are thinking of is "The Visitor" and honestly it might be my favourite DS9 episode, it's at least high up there. But it isnt good because of Cirroc Loften, it's good because of the guy they got to play old Jake. In most regular episodes Jake feels like an afterthought, and because he's not in most of them, it's like he's not there at all. I mean sure the station is big, but it's not THAT big, where the hell is he when all this crazy stuff is happening on a daily basis?

I mean to be fair Molly is a child, how interesting do you expect her to be lol. As for Keiko, she's another character who doesnt appear often enough to cement herself as a character who matters. Sometimes it's easy to forget Miles even has a wife. He has a more intimate relationship with Bashir lmfao.

I like Cassidy. But again, she barely appears. I think the reason for that is she kept being too busy with other projects to appear on DS9. But that makes her arc progression super drawn out and disjointed. She gets sent to prison, comes back like a season later, is in one episode where she doesnt do anything, then vanishes for another season.

I understand that if they did what I'm about to suggest, it would make Kira the only woman in the main cast but damn, the host after Jadzia should have been a man. Would have been super interesting to see all the characters react to this, especially Sisko, who took a while to adapt to Jadzia in the first place.

I am sensing sarcasm?

 

I think ENT is really underrated. Is it as good as DS9 and TNG? No, but I also think a big reason people didn't like it is because of franchise fatigue at the time it came out, not its actual quality. The other shows took a while to find their feet, hitting their stride in seasons 3 ish, but for some reason people forgive those other shows but not ENT for being worse at the start. If ENT got 7 seasons it may have ended up being one of the best Trek shows imo, but it never got that chance.

 

"Then who needs dinner? Why don't I get it over with and kiss you right now?"



I don't care, I love this episode. It's so unfathomably cheesy but it's so satisfying to see Odo finally get what he's wanted for the entire show. The scene where they finally kiss is perfectly shot and the way everyone on the promenade just stops to watch is goofy as all hell but wonderful. What can I say, guess I'm a romantic at heart.

 

I'd need to rewatch both to see where I'd place it, but I remember Voyager having A LOT of filler episodes that really made it a slog at times. Tbh though, it's almost an unfair comparison. Voyager got the seven seasons to tell its story, we can only speculate on whether ENT would have been better or worse. Personally, I think the First Contact War, with the coalition of the four species fighting Romulans they never see, sounds cooler than what they did with the Borg in Voyager.