P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

How about after the initial 8 months, did morning wood gradually begin to increase? Also having regular Orgasm with your wife do you feel it affected your reboot?

thanks

 

Dude, just trust the process and don't keep counting the days. Once you start stick to it, you will fall but get back up and keep on trucking. We both have similar situation, all I got to say to you is right now am feeling better but am not healed yet. I cannot comment on it until after few months. You seem to be paranoid. Jus try to stay calm and involve in some activities that u like. It can be tough. But you gotta think less about this. Even I struggle with this most days.

 

So much for @Masked-Debater his theory, that hypofrontility causes anxiety, which even without this study, it was so wrong on so many levels.

 

I believe a full recovery can be made while also having orgasms once or twice a week with a partner. Why do I believe this? Because it’s essential you get into the habit of practicing orgasms that are normal and not porn induced. I was dead dick for 6 months, month 8 i decided to allow my girlfriend to give me oral sex, libido slowly began recovering. Last week for example, for the first time just by looking at my girlfriend naked I was able to get hard which has never happened.

 

Sorry man you're right. The problem is no the flatline /shriveled penis but the fact that I stay in it for 6 years ignored that and continuing to fap everyday, that scares me when I read here some man to return in flatline after few orgasm. But yes I have only time to recover in hardmode way

 

I am not a neurologist but it can be related only to neurotransmitters like dopamine. Probably dopamine receptors are ok but there's no dopamine production anymore in that part of the brain related to libido like for example the antidepressant in which elevated serotonin cause a decreasememt of dopamine production and there is no libido (even if the mechanism is not the same of pmo). Thank you man for this we need people like you here, we have only experience about people and we need also science. The question could be : if there is no downregulation of receptors and only a decreasement in dopamine production can be interessant the rule of mucuna pruriens here

 

I have not read the full paid article yet. I myself participated in that study. So I asked him if the study was published yet. He said there limitations to the study.
I myself can't believe there are not any changes to the dopaminergic system. I have endured hellish brain fog, lack of motivation and severe (PAWS) withdrawals, 20 days after I quit, They did not really measure the amount of dopaminergic neurons, degrading enzymes like COMT, MAO, dopamine transporter acitivity, intracellular TAAR1 and VMAT2 acitvity etc. They have no idea how our dopaminergic neurons in in VTA projects dopamine to our striatum in everyday activity. There is so much more to explore in addiction. Also porn addiction is very different from substance use disorders, so maybe D2/D3 binding studies, should be kept at bay, when studying this addiction.

 

From what notice, your brain will unrewire to rewire. For example, you might have 12 months hardmode with PAWS and the withdrawals seem to worsen the further you go with your reboot. There was a time I couldn't even bear listening to music at 16mo hardmode compare to 6-9 months in reboot.
Now I'm slowly able to enjoy music again with 1 month away from hitting 3 years(not harmode though) with deep PAWS.

 

Hey man I just wanted to clue you into my experience. I don’t practice retention as I’m a married man. I was not willing to sacrifice my marriage for the sake of my reboot. I’ve got 4 kids and a wife I’m madly in love with. That being said I was not willing to deprive her of sex for 2 years. I did not practice retention at all but still can tell that I’m making massive progress when it comes to recovery from PAWS. I have my windows and waves just like everyone else. Some times a few days after sex the symptoms intensify a bit but they are nowhere near what they were in the first year. The objectification of women still comes up a bit some times but is also no where near what it was when I was in my addiction. I agree with you that retention is way better than hooking up with random chicks. Just trying to give you an alternative perspective. I never suffered from PIED though so maybe that makes me a bit different.

 

Please dont get the vax. As we have the big pharma lying about effects of porn and ejaculation on humans, they are lying and covering up the truth pretty much about everything else. If humans learn they can heal naturally = no profit. Its all a big money game from the top of the top who decides what should be taught in schools, universitets, studies, etc, etc. And which science studies they decide to fund. The vaccine is no different, plenty of people here in Denmark have had such bad long term reactions from the vaxs(all kinds) and the government are silenced about it and lying about the numbers which im sure they do in US and everywhere aswell. I just hope people are mindfull about this, especially when you are healing from an addiction. Big pharma and the one world government couldnt care less about you, its all to get you to work the 9-5 and if you are on nofap/semen retention its a first hand exerpience and proof that the big pharma is lying to you and hiding the effects of porn and masturbation. I needed to post this on here, its concerning how many people dont realize that the world is absolutely corrupt. When you do semen retention, water fasting, cold showers, wim hof, a clean high vibrational diet, society will not need you, they cant use you. This is why the healthy things are promoted unhealthy and reverse.

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With all due respect, stop spreading bullshit. I'm a very skeptical and critical human being and I think there is a lot of shit out there where the whole society gets tricked into believing lies and I also think that there is a lot of financial intentions in the pharma industry. But this whole anti-vax agenda is fucking retarded if you ask me. There is an illness out there that can kill you or can kill others OR giving you 6 months of no smell, hard depression, restlessness, fatigue and so many other symptoms that proven by now. Covid itself is no joke and long Covid is like PAWS but you have no gurantee that it will stop. There is one thing to avoid and safe the life of OTHERS and this is the vax. If you want to be a god damn egoist and only think of yourself then go ahead and give everyone the middlefinger and flee from your social responsibility but stop promoting the fucking mental degenerative idea of the vax doing harm to. If a person gets any harm out of a vaccine then this person has some sort of (undiscovered) health problem. If you react this strong on a vaccine then Covid is able to fucking kill you.

I'm sick and tired of people going around spreading their twisted agenda and thus endangering everyone else. I'm not a fan either of getting a vaccine that isn't tested long but there is something called risk calculation. In your risk calculation only YOURSELF matters and nobody else and don't come up with covid is just a flu - it's not. And no there is no elite movement trying to put microchips into our body trying to control us. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of bullshit happening out in the world and many things going on behind the scene and I'm not denying that the rich try to enslave and supress the poor by keeping us addicted and busy in our own little lives. But promoting this anti-vax bullshit is fucking retarded. Seriously. If you don't want to get the vax for yourself. Fine, go ahead and do it but don't go around telling everyone to do either. This is the same borderline bullshit of religious groups going around preaching all kind of shit and I struggle to understand by now why everyone is so busy generating a narrative that this vax is harming and trying to infiltrate us. I guess it's some form self-identity that people get out of this whole "I am against it and more informed then anyone else". No you're not you're just an asshole making everything worse for everyone else then it is already. If everyone would get vaxed then this bullshit would be over already. Only the people that aren't affected by the whole covid situation are going around spreading all kind of bullshit.

My mum who is struggeling financially since my fathers accident can't work 100% and earn her usual money because after 1,5 years of this whole pandemic, people are still failing to apply basic healthy logic onto a matter that could be solved by 1 month if people weren't fucking retarded and selfish. I spend the whole winter on myself in my apartment because meeting anyone would have put my father in life danger. As I said, I'm sick and god damn tired of people spreading all kind of pseudo-knowledge about a matter that is really important and which shouldn't get transfered into political agenda and discussion. People make it more complicated then it really is. And no, I'm not interested in any discussion on this topic. I'm just telling you straight into the face to keep that shit to yourself and don't infect anymore people with plain old stupidity, because after all that's what it is. I don't wanna know your facts, your reasoning or anything else. Just keep it for yourself.

 

@sikreodds97 @DerJogge

Before things get out of hand, a quick reminder of the title of this thread:
P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

While we all have our own opinions about the current pandemic, can I ask that the conversation be taken elsewhere (a different thread). This current thread might be one of the very few that has good, first-hand information from those of us trying to recover from sexual addiction.

Like I said, totally understand that you both have an opinion, but you're both going off topic a bit.

Politely asking you to carry it on elsewhere.

Thanks

 

Speaking out about big pharma and the corrupt society we live in = there is a microchip in the vaccine... I never said that. There is a huge awakening going on, people all around the world waking up the corruption there has been going on for centuries on planet earth. Protests in so many countries everyday, millions marching and protesting once a week in france. Im never gonna stop sharing my truth even tho it clearly triggers you. To you this might be false information but to me and many others its not. If you dont like my take in regards to the vaccine discussion a few pages down, then ignore it. We all have a voice. Its crazy to me that people find it so hard to believe that the 1 percent manipulates the society we live in to get even richer. Comments like these makes me think we are the absolute minority, which hurts my soul honestly. People honestly need to wake up.
And thats my last reply, everyone has a voice, antivax or not.

 

@Don Quixote how are you doing with Covid? Feeling any better?

 

I think it's best if one goes without any ejaculation.Semen retention is the key here.As much as one can hold it,as soon as brain and body rewires and gets to normal.No doubts as have experienced it!

To do this,is a bit tough for addicted brain.Its tougher ,if someone is in relationship.

Personally for me,any ejaculation makes things a bit tough and withdrawals start showing ,though very mild at this stage(+100 days without FPMO).I am in flatline since past 1 month.For me the frequency of sex has been twice a month so far. That's how I concluded to have a better coordination with recovery and maintaining my married life.I think it's not the fault of our spouse ,coz we are addicted but they too are affected severely somehow.

Had seen many videos wherein it's emphasized to have sex with real partner to get and rewire for bonding and it's claimed that it had helped many to come out of addicted pathways.

For a person like me who started M first at age 17 and then P at age 25 and abused myself continuously for around next 11 years without any interaction with real partner and having sex till I married at age 33,this self abuse duration was around 19 years i.e. from age 17-36 which is quite long.Thanks to Almighty that I came out of all this and I'm feeling much better.

Can anyone here elaborate more is it good to have sex with spouse during rewiring?? Did it work ,moderate sex and recovery simultaneously for anyone here??

 

I deleted my last post about the vaccine because it's dumb to react. My apologies.

Still in a PAWs slump so I'm extra reactionary. Depressed and havin' a rough time.

My symptoms seem to be different than those who have recently recovered, so a lot of doubt has sprouted up in regards to my timeline.

I'll never give up, but it feels as if I'm in an unknown space. The writing of (Skidreods?--forgot how it's spelled) is my source of hope, because it seemed that he had more of a light switch moment.

2 weeks away from 22 months and at this moment I'm feeling really down, and it's been like this for 5-6 days straight. It's one of those moments where it feels as if nothing has changed. I can't socialize, can't workout, can't run errands. I'm bedridden once again. Can't even muster the energy to play video games.

Porn truly damaged my brain and body, and I'm just tired of thinking about it.

 

Thanks so much for saying that.

 

I have to ask: What is your connection to the sikreodds97 from the Nofap/SR subreddit who made it out of a 24 month flatline in 2019? You share the same username and both come from Denmark, but the timing of your flatlines are different...

I'm entering my 20th month of PAWS tomorrow. And for what it's worth, I agree with you about the covid vaxx. We should stay in touch. Godspeed!

 

Don’t really get people drawing a link between Nofap and anti-vaccine BS. Take care of your health: quit PMO for good and get vaccinated (unless you can’t for medical reasons).

 

Yes. Let’s all get an unapproved experimental vaccine made by multi billion dollar corporations who could care less about the good of man.

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