Plymouth killer followed incel ideology and was obsessed with porn

Pretty much this - you don’t know someone’s an armed criminal out to get you until either they’re pointing a gun at you demanding you hand over your valuables (and, unless you’re a Quick-Draw McGraw, they’ll be able to pull the trigger long before you can get your concealed gun out of whatever pocket or holster it’s in) or they simply cut out the middle man and shoot you without any chit-chat and rob your corpse.

What’s more, being the cowardly scum they are, criminals will always be monitoring what assets the general population have to defend themselves and procure whatever weapons are necessary to make sure they have an immediate advantage - if, for example, they knew every citizen was given a government-issue hand pistol for self-defence, they would steal military-grade automatic rifles, sniper rifles, flamethrowers... whatever they could get their hands on for their evil plans. In this way giving everyone guns would be fighting fire with fire, which in the end just makes the fire bigger.

What really needs to be done is introduce greater and harsher deterrents and sharpen up law enforcement. Increase prison sentences and make prison conditions less comfortable. Indeed I would even advocate bringing back public flogging, the stocks and the pillory (yes I’m serious - public humiliation would be a deserving punishment for the scum of the earth). You say the Police are slow and ineffective? The government should get the Police to practice their drills quicker then, recruit more officers, train them better, and give them a better rep so the population respect them more (ordinary people treat the police like shit, yet the Police are there to protect their arses from all manner of criminal threat).

Of course this is easier said than done given the governments of the west are far more interested in appealing to ethnic minorities than protecting the people of their own nation right now, but that is the right way to crack down on crime.

 

Where the hell do you live? Tombstone Arizona?

 

This just sounds like you're describing the premise of Judge Dredd lmao.

 

Try to beat that amigo: I don't even know what the f*** incel actually is, and not really willing to learn as it will be useless knowledge in two or three years. Then we will have new dumb fad phrases I won't care about either.

Ever felt like those psychos with guns are dropped from helicopters somewhere in the bushes by the Illuminati to aid in gradually pushing through their agenda of enslaving everyone based on the increasing panic, hysteria and the blind drive to secure our lives to the point of complete inability of taking any risks or responsible decisions whatsoever (in this case I mean gun control and attacking anti-feminists)?

I did.

 

Bang on. And do you know who wouldn't have been able to get a gun licence in the UK? The father who was murdered along with his 3 year old daughter. Who was unable to defend himself against a guy with a legally obtained gun.

 

Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
And hear the lamentation
Of their women

 

You lost me at democratic civilized society hahahaha
Keep thinking that

 

This one agree with longer sentences thought it would be hell on the taxpayers unless these prisons could turn some profit, what would be better instead of a determined prison sentence would be some sort of psychiatrist who must confirm that the felon is rehabilitated and fit to rejoin society as it seem the current system does not work otherwise they can spend their lives there but such things would likely invite corruption.
Police reaction time are not instantaneous but one should not take everything here said for granted, in rural area it might make sense for them to be armed since the reaction there is rather slow but in a city we see that the average reaction time in the us is generally under 10 mins.
public humiliation might serve but as for corporal punishment this one does not see the point, if you want to rehabilitate someone sent him to be reeducated in jail if not then just end him; consider this

Spoiler

“But it is surely right to ask, as Gorky did in his famous essay 'On the Russian Peasantry' (1922), whether in fact the revolution had not merely brought out, as he put it, 'the exceptional cruelty of the Russian people'? This was a cruelty made by history. Long after serfdom had been abolished the land captains exercised their right to flog the peasants for petty crimes. Liberals rightly warned about the psychological effects of this brutality. One physician, addressing the Kazan Medical Society in 1895, said that it 'not only debases but even hardens and brutalizes human nature'. Chekhov, who was also a practising physician, denounced corporal punishment, adding that 'it coarsens and brutalizes not only the offenders but also those who execute the punishments and those who are present at it'.17 The violence and cruelty which the old regime inflicted on the peasant was transformed into a peasant violence which not only disfigured daily village life, but which also rebounded against the regime in the terrible violence of the revolution.”
Excerpt From: Orlando Figes. “A People's Tragedy A History of the Russian Revolution.” iBooks.
An argument could be made that every civil war is cruel but you see the point, even in the armed force where there is no place for pride they no longer do it.

 

that is rough you should invest in a fiercer dog, seriously though you said that you take self defence class, do not underestimate its value, this one has done kick-boxing and you would not believe how fast these guys can hit you. Firearms is a great equalizer, but the fact that it is so easy to use is what make it dangerous; Martial art is better because while it take a lot longer to "master", when you do you are much less likely to engage in random violence or in crime, and the thugs can only be a danger if they are in big numbers or armed. For strictly self defence krav maga is best. Yet it doesn't hurt to have a firearms when you live in an isolated place like you do although attacking a police officer's house is pretty stupid.
This is this one's beliefs anyway.

 

Organize crime is different from mugging and home invasions and I never implied that anywhere.

Organize crime is a conspiracy on a mass level that can only be taken care of by law enforcement.

On the other hand on the topic of mugging and home invasions. As I said in my last post, you are the captain of your own ship. Sure you can call the police, but that wastes time where you can be fixing the problem yourself. The police more often than not will show up after you have become a victim or after the crime is finished.

Many law enforcement analysts recommend dealing with the situation first. Look up Active Self Protection, ran by former law enforcement and a nationally acclaimed firearms instructor and Paul Harrel former Marine and another nationally acclaimed instructor. All of them advise dealing with the threat first

 

You ever watch that south park episode with the superhero who’s superpower is hind sight 20/20.


Martial arts are great skills to have and everyone should train some form of it, but it’s not practical for everyone.

1. You need a teacher, you cannot learn from watching youtube videos as its a physical art. Teachers are expensive.

2. As you admit it takes a time to master. You cannot predict when your life is in danger.

3. Life isnt a video game, if there is more than one assailant you’re fucked.

So what’s the best jnbetween? A gun

1. You do know need a teacher but it takes way less longer to become proficient with a gun than it does woth martial arts. I could argue it takes two weeks

2. guns can deal with multiple attackers.

3. there are many cases of people being trained in martial arts, getting overpowered by individuals bigger and stronger. The argument of technique trumps strength is a myth.

Also there’s one last thing. Krav Maga is absolutely shit to learn. It was not made for civilians, it is not a martial art but philosophy. It was made to teach IDF soldiers to be aggressive:
I believe its this video that deconstructs it well

 

Have you ever seen a military installation?

 

Or a flamethrower. Imagine a crackhead trying to conceal a flamethrower while he scouts houses to break into. Don't they have an active flame on the end typically?

 

If the gas is engaged, yes.

Plus I'm pretty sure a crackhead, after abusing crack for a period of time would be atrophied to hell.

He could use a roofing torch? But why bother? Crackheads aren't navy seals (Though if you read about the current state of the Seals they might be). They just want your stereos, bike, and other shit they pawn off to get some rocks.

 

You’re identifying and relating with a murderer?

 

by organized crimes here this one mostly meant gangsters, and the general advice you can find about home invasion is to gather your family if you have one and either escape the house or barricade yourself and call the police, trying to deal with unknown assailants who if they know their business are well aware of who is at home and most likely have come with the mean to deal with them is reckless, that guy above got lucky some halfwit broke into their house had it been a hardened criminal it would have turned quite differently.

if you are attacked by more than one assailant the smart thing to do is just give them what they want no arguments there, having a gun will not save you; if he is the attacker he will shoot first and if you are in a group he could take severals down before you know what is happening, end point in a gunfight there will be at least one casualty whereas if you are unarmed and attacked by a knife-wielding thug many martial arts have a way to deal with that though it might be wise to just give them what they want and only attack as a last resort.
It all depend on the martial art you have learned, many are fairly useless in a street fight but martial arts, in most of them you train both strength and technique. As long as there is no overwhelming difference in weight you should be able to take care of most ppl who do not know any martial arts provided you are advanced enough.
krav maga is one of the best street fighting martial art class out there, it was designed for street fighting as it include many way to deal with an armed opponent, it is definitely a martial art just because it was made for the idf doesn't mean it is not one and soldiers in any case are taught many simple forms of martial arts, also krav maga is an amalgam of many martial arts.

 

it is rare but it happen.

 

Hardened criminals aren't immune to gunshots either.

If you are out on the street and someone tries to take your wallet, yes give it to them. I agree with that cause they have the drop on you.

Home invasions are different. Your home is your castle, and just hiding or escaping is highly practical. What if you're sleeping on the second floor? You can't just jump through your window. Hiding or barricading your family? You have to take time to gather them, you have to take time to barricade yourself. These precious moments could be used in either scaring off the intruder or smoking him. I once had a cop advise a class he was teaching, that simply just taking your gun and shooting it into your ceiling would scare off 99% of intruders.

This hardly ever happens. This is a perfect world scenario.

And you're right most martial arts are useless, especially Krav Maga. Because it was only intended to teach a warrior spirit in soldiers, who use guns. It is an amalgamation of different martial arts, but it doesn't matter because as soon as you get into a fistfight as that shit goes out the window.

Fighting hand to hand is very ugly and I argue more dangerous. A gun can incapacitate someone in seconds, and gun wounds are easy to treat. Blunt force trauma and shattered bones? Not so much. People take 10s of hundreds of strikes to head before finally going down. A person with a knife will not go down easily because of your martial skill. Because after all, you brought your fists to a knife fight. Grappling is especially ugly, putting someone in an armbar won't stop a fight, it will shatter their joint but they have still had their other appendages to deal harm to you. Choke holds can take several minutes to put someone out, and all the while they are trying to escape it. And after the fight, it doesn't matter who one both of you will be fucked up. Broken ribs, noses, orbital sockets, stab wounds, and other things aren't cheap or easy to fix.

I doubt it would happen to the point where it would be an epidemic. After all the military is defending their base with guns.

 

yes

 

This thread has devolved into farce.