P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Appreciate the warning. Hope it all works out for you man, I'm rooting for you.

Thanks for being honest.

 

Whats up guys just wanted to chime in, been following this thread for a few weeks now. The information in this thread has been invaluable and extremely helpful to me, being that I am 8 months in. The success stories are the best and really give me hope. I think the worst part of PAWS for me has been social anxiety. I served at a youth camp as a dorm dad a few months ago, and to say it was difficult was an understatement. I am sure at this point that all of the other staff think I am an awkward, shy, idiot who has no balls whatsoever. I've had to drop my own self image in order to cope because of how many painfully awkward interactions i've had with people because of PAWS. I cannot hold eye contact, much less a conversation. I want to crawl in a hole for the next 12-14 months and go ghost but I can't. Relationships with women are just impossible and I don't even consider it, which really hurts because I'm 25 and should be doing that type of stuff. PAWS is real man. Painfully real. I hope this ends soon.

 

Hey fellas! So I tested negative for COVID yesterday. This time with it was not nearly as debilitating as the first time. I really wanted to observe my symptoms and see if there was some indicator as to weather my Paws symptoms were actually long covid symptoms from the first time. My conclusion is a huge unsatisfying who the hell knows. I had a major uptick in depression brain fog and dizziness while in covid, way more than I have been experiencing normally. It’s just so hard to tell if this was a covid symptom or a stress induced PAWS flair up. PAWS seems to get worse in stressful situations. Having six people all with COVID in the same house and a father in law in the ICU with it is very stressful. Sorry for the inconclusive report. I really wanted to come with some incredible insight but sadly I cannot.

 

So in other words you don't have Covid....?

 

Nice experience with the doctor, definitely means he's good if he said 400 is still low.

Yeah, that's why I waited a bit before starting to take the supplement. I highly suggest you test all your B-vitamin levels before taking a B-complex. You may not need them all.

 

No I definitely had Covid. I tested positive about a week ago. I still have no sense of smell. I tested negative yesterday meaning I no longer have the active virus in my system.

 

That's a good call, though it may be hard to convince even this doctor to do that. Plus B-vitamins are supposed to be excreted if you don't use the excess, so my hope would be that as long as I don't take crazy high doses I should be alright (though with PAWS who knows).

 

I agree. PAWS has caused me to be very weak in every aspect, especially dealing with women. Even if I could date right now I wouldn't because it would be unfair to the young lady being that I am half a man right now. I have no balls. I react to things in a weak way and would never be able to lead a women the way she needs to be lead. The thing is that I have never been a man a women could really love. I've always been a wuss, just half a man. I cannot wait to come out of PAWS and live life the way its meant to be lived. I've had small spurts of feeling planted, immovable, confident, and strong all at once. Majority of the time i'm just living in PAWS though. 14 months to go.

 

Hmm, all I would say to the doctor is "I'm looking to get my b-vitamins in an optimal range and would like to test them" I doubt they'll be resistant to that. When I told my doctor last year I want to test my T levels he said "Why?" I gave him that answer. Although, I wish I specified both total and free T at the time, a mistake I will not make this year.

As for the excretion, if i'm not mistaken your Kidneys work to do that. I'm just not found of making my organs work harder than they must during recovery. If you can, try addressing your B-vitamins via diet first and see.

This is all a longterm match, just don't ever go back to PMO my friend.

 

Oh ok. So it don't take long.....

 

I want to add that porn, for me, wasn't just used in the context of men and women. For me, I used porn to lower myself because my parents were too emotionally immature to allow me to have any sort of agency or self confidence. To them, I am a part of their ego, as opposed to my own person with my own thoughts and beliefs. They didn't want another force of will--they wanted subservience. And I, the naturally thoughtful, kind person that I am, did their bidding.

It's similar in the fact that porn did what I subconsciously wanted it to: weaken my manhood. I was taught to create space for others, rather than taking it for myself. Porn is the holy grail of robbing you of your presence.

I'm still in PAWs, so I'm constantly broiling over with negative emotions, but the conclusions I've come to at this point is that most people aren't that great. They will let you down over and over and over again. Especially if you're the kind of person that picks up on the subtle nuances of life.

I rely on myself and myself alone. Hopefully, somewhere down the line, I'll find a girl who will walk alongside me, but until then, I don't trust that many folks. I got a best buddy that worries about me, and a couple others that I consider half-brothers, but even then, I won't stake my life on their actions.

I wish I was in a state where I loved everyone and didn't care about them at the same time. That sounds great. I think my perspective is skewed because I'm still in deep PAWs, so I'm very much willing to amend my conclusions as time goes on.

I hit the 22 month mark in a day. Still no libido, rare MW, and a lot of anger and depression. My sleep is also very much fucked up.

I really hope things turn around soon. This shit has gotten very, very old. I'm tired of the social anxiety and overall weakness that PAWs so lovingly provides me. I've seen glimpses of my true self, and I know that I'm very much a strong force in this world. Shame that my parents tried, subconsciously, to quell my inner fire, but I'm old enough to where it's my responsibility to remedy my shortcomings.

I feel very alone atm. Severe PAWs symptoms have a way of alienating me from other humans. My experience is just so far removed from the average person that there just aren't many acres of common ground. I'm also just naturally more anti-social and anxious. And dark. When they're at their worst, my withdrawals cause me to feel super fuckin' dark. Like, I become attracted to death. I'm on the same plane of the ether as human mortality. I'll even find myself being drawn to videos of police shootouts, and other shit of that nature. It's really fucked up. I think I'm going to have to come to peace with some of the things I've exposed myself to during this "journey", because I've gone to some super dark places.

Don't know how long my withdrawals will last. Since this addiction has kind of beaten the optimism out of me, I expect it to take 27 months. Considering how poorly I've been doing the past 2 months, I just can't see myself leaving the vortex in 2 months. It would, honestly, be something near a complete 180.

All I can do is not relapse. that's the only choice that I can make these days. Maybe workout a couple times, stick to my diet, but besides those things, I still don't have the correct mind states do do anything of substance. I still can't make decisions.

Edit 2: I've been in a dark place. Just gotta keep rolling. Gotta stop letting the anger and bad emotions take over and warp my worldview.

 

I'm 8 months in and i'm right there with you. This week has been super rough with the social anxiety and tiredness. I have some days I feel better but 9/10 days i'm bad. Have you relapsed at all during those 22 months?

Also, I've heard it gets worse before it gets better. So I would say the sun is right around the corner for you.

 

1 month away from completing 36 months in deep PAWS. I've had about a dozen relapses which I think set me back.... My back especially lower has dark spots and look saltish color. Actually the upper used to look the same so with Time it got better.

All I heard is cracking noises everywhere in my body and constant tinnitus. This reboot start taking an emotional toll on me along with a brain fog that never want to leave me alone.

 

If I have a wet dream about porn and I have a full on orgasm in my dream, does this act like a relapse and reset my progress?

 

I haven't relapsed. I had sex during months ~4-10 though. Who knows how that factors into things.

Keep at it homie. Good luck with the rest of the journey.

 

In my experience, no, but it may cause a lower level set-back. I've had wet dreams with zero set-back, and one or two where I maybe had a small set-back.

 

Cheers. It's really frustrating having to worry about certain thoughts and wet dreams halting your recovery whereas with other substances you can be certain that you will get better just as long as you stay off the sauce!

 

Exactly Man!

 

dont worry, wet dreams definitely wont halt your recovery lol otherwise I would have never healed from paws in 2 years while having 3-4 wet dreams / week

literally, just dont look for porn or any kind of p-sub and you'll eventually be fine

Here's how you can boost your recovery / cope with the symptoms

Cold shower in the morning everyday
Gym atleast 6x week
This one helped me the most: stop with any kind of multitasking (except listening to music while doing something, thats fine ig)> uninstall all of your social media, youtube, and only keep the essential in your phone. It solved atleast 50% of my concentration problems caused by low dopamine levels

 

I dont know how that worked, but here's my guess: the less you overload your brain with high dopaminergic activities such as gaming or mindlessly scrolling through social media, the easier it gets to do low-dopamine activities such as reading, studying, watching movies, because your brain eventually learns to adapt to your new situation

the keto diet thing also seems to work btw (or maybe it was placebo?) but since I was 14 I was afraid to keep doing it lol