P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Yep, I can't see them. It's a real shame, but I'm sure he has his reasons. His last post did seem to be a bit of a rant about religion, so I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it?

 

It is a shame, DonQ's accounts were some of the best I have read over the past 2 years of recovery. It really is a shame to lose them. I think over the past few weeks the quality of the posts within this thread definitely seem to have dropped. There seems to have been a saturation of religious and political views rather than concrete accounts of PAWS and recovery.

It makes me wonder how those that come after us will fair when there is little to no detailed success stories available to them.

 

Eventually I think most of us if not all gonna move on from this site. People you will find here are newbies, paws sufferers, or people who return to their old ways. PAWS are truly put you in a state of confusion or I'd say " SEXUAL EXHAUSTION" of the hormones or lack of semen vitals for our organs. Some people are worst case than others. That's why they could take more time in reboot or people who kept poking the bear while flatlining.

 

Who kept poking the bear while flatlining like me for 6 years ignored it every day multiple times a day. I don't know now how my recover will be completed at this point even if I make 3 years hardmode...

 

Hey everyone. I have a quick question. Is there a difference in your symptoms post drinking alcohol as compared to post ejaculation? Do any of you get symptoms after drinking and if so are they more severe than normal PAWS?

 

The really weird thing is that sexual exhaustion applies to almost all porn users
Yet I just read several cases including a guy (if I find the link I post it) who said he masturbated 5-10 times a day every day for 15 years of addiction and was cured in 32 days and had strong morning wood both during the fapping and after stopping . I do not understand .. I have read other cases like this of another boy who had passed the adolescent phase (27 years) and still continued to get impulses and to be rock hard in sex with an average of 10 ejaculations per day. Although they are evidently rare there are cases in which the brains are not conditioned and do not reach sexual exhaustion ... Who knows .. Each brain is different.

 

I think there is a need for a specific community for people who are suffering from PAWS / sexual exhaustion. It is obviously a huge problem from those of us afflicted by it. It might be worth setting up a dedicated group to this subject here in Nofap. As and when I have the energy, I might look in to this further - would anyone else be interested?

I think PAWS / sexual exhaustion are two distinct, but related things. I was going to post about this, but again ran out of energy, but plan to do so at some point, because I've experienced both, and I think some people, myself included, confuse one for the other.

 

Yeah they're not the same. If I'm not mistaken sexual exhaustion is the last stage of the reboot. It usually involves the pelvic area and may take a long time to heal.

 

Could you elaborate on the pelvic thing??

 

The streak was broken at 16mo months ago following some short streaks of 30-60 days. I'm couple weeks from hitting 3 years in PAWS.
My guess our brain is still rebooting even with few relapses.
Do they slow down recovery? Yes
Regardless it's an ongoing process.

So far most of my Paws symptoms are gone. I'm in the phase where my private area is healing slowly from years of sexual exhaustion.
Yesterday I relapsed but didn't feel too bad compare to recent ones(about a dozens).

 

Sexual Exhaustion happens when ones have bad pmo addiction for years. Your pelvic floor muscles can be too tight or loose. You have to go pmo free for your pelvic area including the genitals for them to heal.
Some people go to a physician or research online how to fix pelvic floor muscles if it's damaged.

 

I remember having excruciating spasm in my perineum area at 20 jus one year before I acquired PIED at 21.
I never knew why or what those spasm were. They ways happened when I was about to pee.
I would jus lose control of myself when that happened. I never knew nor I gave thought about it, the last 10 years
Until I started my recovery a year back.
Am not sure if I have a tight or loose pelvic muscle. Should I try kegels or do the opp. Jus not a clue.

 

I'm not an expert but you can try googling what type of work out you should do if you have tight or loose pelvic. Also the reboot could cause pain in some parts of your body till symptoms disappear completely.

Yeah 10 years wasted as well in pmo and reboot.

 

I think doctors are still unsure of the exact cause of a weak or tight pelvic floor, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is linked to all of the over-ejaculation over the years.

I think sexual exhaustion is slightly more complex than just our pelvic floors being tight. It is worth remembering that our central nervous system is responsible for releasing all of the key neurochemicals (and hormones) at ejaculation. Then think just how many of us on this forum have ejaculated between 2-3 times a day, for anything from 5-15 years. Doctors state that healthy ejaculation frequency for men aged between 20-30 should be 3-6 times a week, and for men aged 30-45, 2-4 times a week. Meanwhile, some of us have been ejaculating on average 20-25 times per week for 10+ years. I think 'sexual exhaustion' is probably the best way to put it. Our nervous systems have likely lasted a lot longer than expected. I think the saving grace in all of this is that 98% of us will recover with time and proper abstinence.

 

For me he has lost all of his credibility. You guys seem to be justifying him deleting every testimony of struggle and recovery of his. Very shameful!

 

@Dave G 123 I think a dedicated thread makes sense, the only problem is I think it would need to be moderated. I think the problem we have here is that the thread is often getting diluted by users that don't really have anything conducive to add to the thread. It would be good to have a thread where serious rebooters/newcomers can read about real-time recovery cases without interruption from religious/political views or straight up trolls. I was going to reach out to one of the moderators to see if we can get something put together.

 

Yep, I've been thinking along similar lines. For me it was 2-3 times a day for about 25 years with rarely a day off, then 1-2 times a week for another 10 years, then eventually I slowly but inexorably crashed in to a state where I can't really function in every day life and am now unemployed. And all because I just didn't know any better - or more precisely, because until the 25 year point came, I never thought to question it because of our pro-porn culture, and the fact that every-one else seemed (as far as I knew) to be doing the exact same thing. At the 25 year mark I figured out porn was a problem for me, but underestimated just how bad it was, and the fact that orgasm itself is in many ways the real culprit (super-charged by porn) and how difficult it actually is to quit completely. Which is why every day, at some point, I think "if only I'd known - how different would my life have been?" and start fantasizing about time travel...

Over the last 2 years I have definitely experienced what people here are describing as PAWS. However, I am not sure if I am going through PAWS and sexual exhaustion, or if the SE (to coin a phrase) just reached another level of badness, and that's it. What has been different for me over these last 2 years is that I don't just feel worse after PMO in the ways that I used to, but that I then have periods of feeling absolutely terrible weeks or even months after the event, and this is totally unpredictable - some days I seem a little better, other days I can barely get out of bed, and this comes and goes in waves, that can last for weeks at a time. I genuinely don't know if this is PAWS and/or SE.

In a way, it doesn't matter because I'm just super depleted and run-down, and it's going to take a long time to recover. But what keeps my spirits up is that I do at least have a way out of this situation - hardmode. I feel like with a lot of hard work, I still have a life to live, barring other, new problems.

It is depressing to feel like I've lived 30 years of my life in an extremely sub-optimal way (ie very unhappy, stressed, ill), and it was all avoidable if someone had just said "look dude, whacking off every day is bad for you. Aim for maybe once a week." And given a few solid health reasons as to why. Hell, I would have done it just to avoid the chronic insomnia that has plagued my entire adult life, and which is just one of many quality-of-life disrupting effects of chronic PMO that I've lived with.

BTW, I had extreme tightness and pain in my perineum about 10 years ago. I bought a book called "A headache in the Pelvis", learned some stretches from that, and it sorting things out very quickly.

 

That sounds great - let us know what they say. I would volunteer, but not sure how much energy I have to put in to a proper commitment at the moment, plus I am still having to have days where I just cannot go online for fear of relapse, but maybe at some point I would be able to help out.

 

Danm that's crazy!!!
You gonna have a hell of a reboot for a good period of time.
As they said: " better late than never."

 

Thread 'Long-searched cure for ED found here in 185 days' https://forum.rebootnation.org/index.php?threads/20809/

Very very insightful and uplifting success story.