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MEN: PLEASE STAY VIRGINS!

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Hammond Egger, Jul 7, 2021.

  1. Hammond Egger

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    Ok I will. You are a forever addict. The addiction will always be wired in your brain. There is always a possibility you will relapse, even if you've gone 50 years sober. Why is this so hard to understand? Am I speaking jibberish?

    Okay smart guy, I don't talk like I'm an authority in sex addiction and semen retention, I listen to experienced doctors and therapists who know what they're talking about:

    "It is important to note that during the maintenance stage relapse is less likely than at earlier stages. However, it is still a possibility and requires careful watch. One client said, “I had been doing well for over eight months and thought I had licked this problem. Then one day out of the blue I was in a familiar environment and was feeling a little down and depressed. Suddenly, within just seconds I found myself looking at something I didn’t want to look at. Without going to my emergency game plan, I spent more time viewing pornography than I wanted to.” As this client found out, letting down one’s guard or relaxing previously erected barriers can quickly lead back to relapse. If an individual relapses in the maintenance stage, his response is critical. He can learn from his experience by identifying the triggers, learning the

    specific reasons why he relapsed, creating a plan to fight the battle better next time, or he can shame and guilt himself back to earlier stages and return to higher levels of pornography addiction.

    The challenge with relapsing during the maintenance stage is to catch it quickly before old patterns and strong sexual feelings return. Generally speaking, individuals in the maintenance stage have been away from pornography for six months to two years. Consequently, a relapse can either be a blip on the radar or a hurricane waiting to happen." - Dr. Kevin Skinner (LMFT)

    You want to argue with a doctor who specializes in treating sex/porn addictions? Be my guest genius.
     
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  2. Hammond Egger

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    Oh and here's another one for you just for the hell of it.

    “Research shows that people who think they have the most willpower are actually the most likely to lose control when tempted. For example, smokers who are the most optimistic about their ability to resist temptation are the most likely to relapse four months later, and overoptimistic dieters are the least likely to lose weight." - Dr. Kelly McGonigal
     
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  3. JoeinUSA

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    I wouldn't say that all men should remain virgins for life. I do think marriage should be encouraged for those attracted to it. But, yes, sex is for procreation, not recreation. But the other nuance that society doesn't quite grasp even there is, given the premise that sex is for making babies, why should anyone have ever come up with the idea that nature owes them a full, ongoing, productive sex life from age 15 to 80, and at any cost. What if nature hasn't built up sex upon that false expectation - even among married people. Hence, it may very well be that even among marrieds, sex might be occasioned by nature for a very limited period (and even that window can be inhibited by other environmental factors), and that much of the marriage will need to grow into even deeper, intimate relationship that transcends the genitals. Who would have thunk it? You know, many marriages that are on the rocks because of sexual failures perhaps need to give up the idea that nature intends for sex to be perennial, the be all and end all, the central most important part of the relationship, and for the sake of its pleasure alone, which can be very self-centered, actually, when using a partner's body as your own masturbatory toy for your own pleasure, absent any other purpose of sex.
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  4. Hammond Egger

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    Wow, beautifully put my friend.
     
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  5. It’s hard to understand because it’s stupid. People change. The brain changes. Physiology changes. Circumstances change. What you’re essentially saying is that even if someone has changed drastically from what they were 10 years ago, that they’re the same person. It’s fucking stupid man. Just stop.
     
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  7. USER_ERROR

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    this is like saying feet are made for shoes; sex is whatever you want it to be, you do not have to listen to people trying to tell you they know better than you what you should be doing with your body.
    Carpe Omnia.
     
  8. JoeinUSA

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    Your analogy seems way off - more parallel to your example would be: sex is for condoms, like feet are for shoes. I'd say that sex is for procreation, like feet are for walking, perhaps. Sure, feet can be for whatever else you want, I guess, choose any sick fetish: bite your toenails during lunchtime at work, slobber and suck your toes, kick your own ass down the street, whatever. You might just end up in a psycho-ward. Hey, but whatever you want!

    So, too, with doing whatever you want with your own body: legalize suicide, kill someone with their consent, mainstream cutting, poison your body with drugs, PMO until your willy falls off. There are those who want to cut limbs or blind their eyes out of mental illness. But let's call that normal, functioning behavior. Hey, it's your body!

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    this is a great thread and these are all great reasons as to why i am staying abstinent myself, God bless you brother.
     
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  12. Sylveon389

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    Sex is so overrated I can't think of anything being more overrated.
     
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  13. Hammond Egger

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    Ladies and gentleman, I just want to say that I still stand with the idea of staying a virgin. Go and read all the recovery journals of men and women on this site, they all confirm my hypothesis.

    There are people that can't even go a day or even a few hours without having insane cravings and urges to have sex. I'm not just talking about single people, I'm talking about people in relationships. They're obsessed with sex, they're consumed by it every day of their lives.

    When I read these things I think to myself, "Wow, thank God I'm still a virgin!" When you lose your virginity, it flips that switch in your mind forever. You will crave sex for the rest of your life. You will NOT be able to live without it. Period. There is NO turning back. It's kind of like someone who has tasted chocolate and loved the taste compared to another person who has never tasted it. One of them is always going to crave chocolate and the other doesn't care if he never has chocolate for the rest of his life. Why? Because he never tried it, so he doesn't crave it.

    True story: Once I asked one of my best friends (who lost his virginity to his now wife), "If I asked you to go three weeks without sex, would you be able to?" His response was, "Hell no!" I thought to myself, wow, I can go almost 30 years without it with 0 issues and he can't even go a couple weeks? That's a scary idea.

    Another friend of mine who's much older and wiser than me said to me, "Once you lose your virginity, don't think you're going to be okay with not having sex, you're not going to be able to live without it."

    Thank God I'm still a virgin. Thank God.
     
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  14. It is Finished

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    Your ignorance is alarming. Unless you have abstained from masturbation for all 30 years, then you are no better. You don't even have a counter we can see, why is that? You are addicted to sexual pleasure just like they are. The only difference is they actually do the real thing, instead of fake sex with your hand. Too bad your brain doesn't know the difference.
     
  15. Hammond Egger

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    First of all, I never said I was better than anyone. Second of all, yes I am addicted to sexual pleasure and the reason I made this post was to advise men to not go down a deeper rabbit hole by having sex. Sex will only make things worse for us PMO addicts.

    Heres an interesting post I read on the thread: "Does losing your virginity help?" By @ShaggyAlonso

    "I lost my virginity, had sex with prostitutes, and in my experience, no, it doesn't help with your addiction. In fact, I'd say it made it worse, because of the sensations and feelings meant I applied them to my fantasies and what porn I used. Suddenly, when watching porn, I could imagine what the actress's skin felt like, what she smelt like, her touch and sounds, based on my own experiences.

    I'm not going to get into the whole keep your virginity or not debate, because there's so much idealism, and not much realism, but my experience is just there to help you decide."



    Wait, hold on, my ignorance is alarming? LOL Weren't you the one who denied the fact that porn addicts experience escalation? I'm going to copy and paste your comment here:

    "Yeah sorry man... but porn doesnt do that. I've already had extensive arguments on this site about whether or not "escalation" is a legitimate concept. It's not. No straight man starts watching gay f*cking porn. Like, just use your f*cking head for once."

    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! What a pathetic comment.

    I think the rest of the users here can judge who the "ignorant" one truly is.
     
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  16. It is Finished

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    You implied it when you compared yourself to him by saying you can go 30 years without sex and he cant go a few weeks. Meanwhile, you've been having sex with your hand the entire time.
    So you're telling me that you're certain that having sex makes things worse for pmo addicts? Remind me again how you can be sure of that if you've never had sex? Oh right.. because you saw one post that confirmed your bias.
    Uh... the dude was having sex with prostitutes. Did you ever consider that there's a huge difference between having sex in a relationship, and having sex with prostitutes? As for his description of watching porn and smelling them through the screen.. that is definitely the stupidest thing I've read today. Do you have any other examples of men's experiences helping you come to this conclusion, considering you have absolutely no experience yourself? Or did you come to this conclusion based on this 1 post alone?
    Yeah... do you think straight men watch gay porn? There's a difference between seeking novelty when watching porn, and "escalating" to gay porn, or golden showers. I'll ask again, please use your head. Oh and also, please show us your counter, I'd like to know if you have any credibility whatsoever.
     
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  17. Infidel.48

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    I dont get why you post this and then at the same time post how to get women , how to approach them , pick one side.
     
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  18. iamShinra

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    I'm saving mine for a special person. And I believe in Sex After Marriage
     
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    It seems that there is a difference in opinions on this thread. It is okay and normal to have different opinions and methods. However we can all agree that we have a common enemy here and it is porn. Whats that saying about the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Lets try to have more of that mentality here. I have not read all this thread and for that reason I might be wrong on what it is all about. But I have read comments that aim to hurt or to annoy the other person. I know it feels good to blow some steam and argue with people to release those aggressive emotions. I have done it as well. I think it is even easier online since it is some random person. I have done it with my family sometimes, lashing out over some small things because I was already built up frustration from other stuff as well. I always regretted it afterwards if I have let my self to admit it. We are all family here in the end. Or an army that is in war with porn. Some people have other battles and enemies that others dont like masturbation, or sexual relations. But instead of focusing on these differences I think we should focus on the common enemy. Everyone loves to be right, one could even argue that I am doing this post just to feel that I am right. And I have no arguments against that. Also I am fully aware that I could be wrong myself here. I still believe that we should do our best to respect our allies against the same opponent. Because if a country is in a war against itself it has already lost. I live in Finland and we had a civil war as soon as we became independent. Ironic huh? After we got a common enemy we unified. Not to start a discussion about war or politics, I just thought that metaphorically that goes well here. There will always be differences in opinion and philosophies. But as long as we share a common enemy, lets not use our energy against each other. We all know opinions can change but we can not change others opinions. If we want to share our opinions lets state it in a way that it is clear that it is only our opinion, even though for us it can be the truth. I know I can also state my opinions in a disrespectful way. So I am no saint here. Just makes me feel sad to see threads full of negative comments go to pages on pages long. And then have threads about people just starting and asking for help have next to no replies. I think we all can have opinions and methods to approach this problem and sharing them with the new guys with the differences in the approach to this problem is a good thing. They then can choose the approach that feels the best for them. I've been going on for a while now, I just thought I would share my thoughts on this. Stay strong against the urges and porn.
     
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  20. BenSarek

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    I loved when I lost my virginity and it was well before being married.
     
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