Deterioating morals

I am glad someone brought this up for conversation.

 

It maybe that they feel like they want to have the same power or more power than men. All the clothes in the shop are almost like that anyway it is kind of the culture. If women dress like this it is easier to be in control of men. Of course it does not give them freedom. It is almost like they are buying into the porn culture.

 

I'd say is is a mixture of pleasure (women love to dress), of trying to impress/control men , and insecurities (feeling not good if not going with the crowd and/or looking for cheers and looks).

But most important: You should not have a problem with this.
If you have, then you are not rebooted and you still look at women like objects instead of human beings.

 

Cultural issues. Sexual liberalization since the 1960s. Constant, consistent messages within popular culture and social media that being "free" with your sexuality, sleeping around, having men drool over you in an animalistic fashion, is somehow something to be desired. Everywhere, people use sex to sell things, probably 80% of pop songs are about sex, clubs and the "high life" are celebrated. From a young age girls have grown up in this kind of environment, and guys have too. So it's no surprise that these values are what they hold. What we hold. Those of us that are lucky enough to have different role models in our lives, different influences that are strong enough to overpower this collective cultural brainwashing, have a different world-view. It's not really a choice, I think. If it's something that you're constantly immersed in, it just feels normal to you, especially if you don't have a reason to question it.

 

@Pureheart

For me, the answer to your question is simple:

It all has to do with real relationships.
To clarify, By "real relationships", I mean a couple who is honestly committed, and monogamist.
A couple that has taken a vow, whether through religious/secular marriage or personal vows.
A couple that has something true and genuine, not just empty words and an empty life.

To the point -

Women are supposed to want to be hot and sexy and beautiful.
Women are supposed to want to be prostitutes and "school sluts" and ladies.

The thing is, they are meant to be this way only for their significant others, and not the world.
This is where trouble starts. They don't wait. They jump the gun. Nowadays, we all do in some form or another. It is the nature of the times we live in.

Men and women are taking this amazing thing - the sex drive - and making it into a mockery. A gimmick. A selling point. Entertainment.
Instead of treating it with respect, they take it - this highest and most wonderful of instincts, through which life comes into existence! - and they turn it into egocentric, nonsensical, unhealthy lust and self-satisfaction.

To everything there is a proper place and proper time. Everything.
For me, it was marriage. And even then, I am not always permitted to even touch my wife. There are rules of sanctity and purity, even after marriage.
That is living a sacred life. A holy life. It is what the world is missing, in a big way.

My $0.2

 

It's basically communism - when I say communism what I mean is a form of brainwashing the gov/media have used for decades to destroy and disrupt young people by inverting things. What it means is that instead of pure romantic love, the basis of civilizations and of families - you have only sex, filth, depravity and whoredom. Men are devalued and feminized also...(they should call feminism masculinism) because it's made the women more masculine. If you look closely. - everything, almost everything is inverted in this society, that's by design. Take 'black lives matter' for instance - give it a positive name but it actually foments massive racism and social strife. You'll find all these liberal slogans and policies are like this. They purposely name them in such a way they cannot be attacked, and to psychologically confuse everyone, they do the opposite of what the name says.

Marriages are devalued (they want to curtail population), homosexuality and promiscuity are in. Abortions are in. It's a sick, diseased era that this nation is living through.
To answer your question - I think it's because they push it so hard in the media, through academia, everything that people think it starts a trend - and that this mirage creates a psychology where everyone thinks that everyone else is being like that (when they're not), so they act like that. ..pretty soon, that's when you start to see everyone beginning to act the same.
It's massive group psychology used on us; designed by think tanks and employed as a weapon by our government.
I hope this will end soon.

 

@Pureheart @Eric'sBlue

A tad long, but hear me out.

I hold marriage with the highest value.
I take my vows seriously, and always have.

I have been married for 12 years, and known my wife since age 16. We married at 20, both virgins.
We love each other deeply, in the purest, honest, and most wonderful way possible.
Our love is growing every day - with every strife, every struggle, every fight, every joy, every up and down, and with every child we bring into creation.

For years, we have been making love - beautiful, romantic, heartfelt love - without "acting like animals in heat" as you put it, Pureheart.
And for years, we have also been into fantasy-fulfillment, D/s, and - hell yeah - acting like animals when we want to.
Maybe this is a contradiction in your eyes, but it certainly isn't in mine. It's sex and love. It is supposed to be fun, and primal, and sensual. It is the physical act of love, and it has all the colors of the rainbow within it. So it should.

What I meant by what I posted, was that even when we are at our most carnal, our most depraved, our "dirtiest" - we are still deeply in love, deeply committed, deeply attentive. It is never truly dirty. It is always clean and pure, because of who we are. Everything we do is done with monogamy, consent, and clear boundaries. With real love. My wife knew of my struggle with pornography, and has been very helpful at getting me out of it. I am now 100 days PMO free, and I could not have done it without her support.

What we do, we don't do because society/government tells us to. We are sexually free and honest with each other.


"guess how your wife will react if you tell your wife she is supposed to be your slut and prostitute."

I don't have to tell her, my friend. She asks me for it. She wants me to treat her like that sometimes, and I am all too happy to oblige. And I, in turn, want her to treat me like that sometimes. She is my slut, and I am hers. We can also make simple, sweet love and be happy with it. It doesn't contradict at all. We are not sex-crazed, by any means. We are simply happy to let each other in on our most private secrets, fantasies, and desires. And when we are together, it never stops being highly physical, highly emotional, and highly spiritual, all at once. It is part of being sexually free and in love with one special person.


"I think no guys say: my girlfriend is hot or my girlfriend is sexy"

The reason why I can say my wife is hot or my wife is sexy, is because that as far as I am concerned, she is the sexiest and hottest creature that Jah ever put on this Earth, and I tell her that whenever I can. She and I were made for each other in body, mind, and soul. She is my one and only, and I am hers. She was my first girlfriend, and she never stopped being my girlfriend and my best friend. My soul mate.

She is hot, and sexy as hell, and awesome, and beautiful, and lovely, etc., etc., etc.

Trust me when I say this: I am not wrong. This life is possible for those who want it.
But perhaps it isn't for everyone. It certainly is the life for me.

TL;DR - married for 12 years, enjoying deep sex and true love, on the highest levels, through hard work, honesty, and D/s.

 

Well I think that things have changed over the last decades since the 1960's (or 1970's here in Spain). So, from my standpoint I think that because women achieve the sexual freedom now, men should learn to be more respected and to give more value to their human part, and that we can not ejaculate everytime because it needs too much time to recover the energy that we lost having sex with a girl. So, we should know if we want to give our energy to her or not. Does she deserve it? I know that my girlfriend deserves it because I know that she loves me and I love her.

NoFap shows you that.

 

Its an interesting question you've put forward and a sad reality. Which brings us to a very fundamental question. How do you think we pick up our morals? How do you know that it is wrong to punch someone in the face and it is right to shake their hands? We ape people around us, that is what we do. We have this thing in our head which makes us want to fit in so that we don't get lost from the flock and are therefore eliminated by wolves. What do you think about the mass murderers in history? I mean the soldiers who actually carried out the deed. They were ready to do anything to fit in and save themselves from elimination. Now this is just an observation, not a judgement on anyone.

Coming back to your question. Look around you. What do we have to ape? To be honest I think it is very simple, for boys it is violence and for girls it is sexuality. That is what everything boils down to. This is what our popular culture (and of course there are exceptions) focuses on. To hit the weak and to make fun of him/her is "cool", does it make sense? It doesn't. Now you can't change the world but you can at least influence the people(especially the kids) around you. Give them an example. Be the man/woman you want them to be. If you can have one boy/girl who says I want to be like Pureheart, I would consider your life to be a successful one.

Best wishes

 

MadHatter, you da man!

 

Many thanks, BlueNotes ! I certainly try to be. I appreciate the positive feedback.
I am only stating my opinion, and I don't mean to shove it down anyone's throat.
To each, his own. And I feel I must be true to my own self, and never make excuses. It is a lifelong journey.

 

That's exactly why I gave you props. The way you word things are beautifully worded.

 

To the original question: 'Twas ever thus. The serpent didn't delude Adam. He deluded Eve. It was Eve who deluded Adam.