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Seeking the Holy Spirit

For Fapstronauts of the Catholic Christian Faith

  1. CPilot

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    “If you have any love for Me, you must keep

    The commandments which I give you;

    And then I will ask the Father, and He will

    Give you another to befriend you.”

    John 14:15,16 NAB

    I have never responded positively to those fire and brimstone sermons. Christ drew people to Himself through His humble heart not through consternation or anger. I think the verses above underlines the need to obey the Lord but not for the sake of obedience alone but rather as a means to demonstrate our love for God. When you love someone, you do things for them out of love. Here our Lord promises that love of God will be result in the gift of the Holy Spirit. In this way, love begets love.

    So it is with our struggle to free ourselves from the sin of PMO. Attempting this for the sake of checking the box of purity is probably not a sustainable effort. However, maintaining purity as a demonstration of love for God which in turn brings His Holy Spirit makes this effort sustainable.
     
  2. CPilot

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    About 10 days ago, my parish conducted blessed adoration for the first time since the Covid restrictions were imposed. It was such a pleasure and a privilege to spend time with the body of Christ in this way. It occurred to me that if people understood that the very body of the Son of God was on display in our church, it would have been filled to overflowing! As it was, there was never more than three humans there at any given time but the solitude in the presence of Our Blessed Lord was absolutely wonderful!

    During my time there I took inspiration from one of my favorite prayer books, a book I have by Fr. Slavko Barbaric entitled "Pray With the Heart". One chapter of the book offers reflections when in adoration of the Holy Eucharist. Several beautiful thoughts and prayers are written there. If you can obtain a copy of the book, I recommend it. If not, here are few key excerpts. I hope each of you finds a chance soon to spend time in Blessed Adoration and feel the peace of Christ from these words.

    1) Mary is always present when the faithful are adoring - imagine the Lord and His Mother with us!
    2) Jesus you are my God the fountain of holiness and holiness itself. Only to You is my adoration due, to You and nobody else. Therefore I leave all things and all programs, I leave everything to adore You.
    3) Jesus when You realized that death would separate You from me Your love was inventive. You remained with me and for me in the Most Blessed Sacrament.
    4) Oh Jesus let every word I say during this hour of Adoration be in Your Spirit. Do not let my words be empty. Inspire me to understand Your Word which You pronounced to draw me completely to You.
    5) Jesus, the bread of life, life of the world, incomprehensible secret, the Father's word to us all, I am at peace with You. Now I am meditating on another word of Yours, which on one occasion was recommended by Your mother. No man can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other or be attentive to one and despise the other.
    6) Jesus, You said You had come because of the sinful and the sick. Thank you that in Your holiness and excellence You do not turn away from us.
    7) Jesus, now my heart is joyful. I know that you will take care of me and of all people, my brothers and sisters. At the end of this adoration, I promise that I will care more for You and for Your word. I shall endeavor through prayer to experience Your word and to pass it on. I know that my journey is still long, my destination still far but thank You for the hope burning in my heart and the love that has blazed up toward You and at the same time toward my brothers and sisters.

    May God Bless each of you today!
     
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  3. Ketherlonk

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    Hey @CPilot, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with adoration. My favorite service of the year is Holy Thursday, and I have wonderful memories of a Holy Thursday service in grad school where we sung the "Tantum ergo sacramentum" with only candlelight and then proceeded to adoration. I haven't been to a Holy Thursday in a while (we decided not to go the past couple years because our kids were so little and loud) but I really miss it. I think I'll make a point of going next year, even if my wife and I need to leave the kids at home and "take turns" :)

    As someone who struggles with lust, I find it so wonderful that Catholics have the doctrine of the Incarnation. Our religion is an embodied religion. In porn, the body is fetishized and disassociated from the person's soul (think about porn videos with exaggerated close-ups of body parts and where the person's face is not even shown). In the heresy of gnosticism, the body is viewed as evil and only the mind and spirit as good. In Catholicism, we recognize that the human person is a body-soul composite; we are neither pure spirit (unlike angels) nor pure matter (unlike non-human animals). God, who is pure spirit, took on our body-soul human nature in the person of Jesus Christ. We, in turn, are called to become "other Christs" -- to let ourselves become sanctified by grace, both body and soul. For me, I have found that my life has often swung between two extremes: either living on a purely mental/spiritual plane while neglecting the needs of my body (e.g., for sleep, rest, exercise, healthy eating, intimacy with my wife), or obsessing with dehumanized bodies in porn. Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament -- God present in the body of the Host -- reminds me that the solution lies in having my two natures being reunited and reintegrated.
     
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  4. CPilot

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    Thank you Ketherlonk. I see you have some excellent education in the church and the nature of mankind. Please continue to share your knowledge here.

    I have been gifted with a wonderful life but like most people, I have experienced some deep sorrow along the way. In my times of deepest despair, I found incredible comfort from time spent in Blessed Adoration. Surely, the greatest blessing we as Catholics have is the knowledge that an ordained Catholic priest can transubstantiate a wafer of bread into the body of the Son of God. Jesus Christ in his loving wisdom, gave us this incredible gift before He left the earth. If we Catholics would fully acknowledge what the Holy Eucharist is, our churches would be filled to overflowing each time Our Precious Lord was brought onto the altar in a monstrance. Indeed, the fact that He is there in the tabernacle of every Catholic church is reason enough to visit our churches for a few moments alone with the Lord. The body of the Son of God only a few feet from us, it boggles the mind!
     
  5. Ketherlonk

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    You are absolutely right. Thank you for reminding us of this awesome mystery. This also reminds me that I would probably benefit a lot from visiting my own church more often. We have been praying the Mass from home as a family due to Covid, but I had started to attend daily Mass at church once a week once I felt it was safe to do so. I work from home now so have more freedom in my schedule. But I haven't gone in a while now. I also haven't received the Eucharist in a while, because of my mortal sin (PM). I have been confessing it but I had been doing PM so regularly that once I started nofap, I figured I should first get some decent sobriety before going back to confession so the priest can see I am serious. So I think I will go soon. But either way, I can still adore Jesus in front of the tabernacle even if I am not in a state of grace. Stopping PM is starting to unveil some deep sadness that I must have been covering up with porn all along. So bringing that to Jesus in prayer will help I think.
     
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  6. CPilot

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    I remember feeling exactly as you describe. I once stayed away from confession for a few years because I felt that I couldn't be truly sorry for my sins if I kept repeating them. When I finally went to confession, the priest asked me why I had waited so long. When I explained my reason, he chided me by saying "you know better than that".

    Please let me say, that it is clear to me and others here, that you have a good heart. There is no doubt in my mind that you want to be free from this sin. I hope you will go to confession and go frequently. Even if you fall shortly afterwards, remember that Christ came to call sinners and as Bishop Sheen said, only the good are tempted by the devil, the rest are already his. Please bear in mind also that the priest's role in confession is not to judge you. His role is to help you on the path towards holiness and to convey the Lord's absolution. You need not convince your priest of your seriousness to quit this sin but you do deserve the feelings of a clear conscience, even if it is only for a few hours, and you should allow yourself to feel the grace of the Holy Eucharist wash over you after receiving communion.

    You are a good man, keep striving. Seek the sacraments often and take the benefits of grace they will bestow on you.
     
  7. Ketherlonk

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    Thank you, @CPilot. Deep down I think I know you are right. There have been times I have been to confession and my heart was not in the right place but for the most part, I have always been sorry for my PM sins and known they were wrong. I was "burned" once with a priest who was almost mad at me in confession because I had acted out too many times, and thought I wasn't taking it seriously, even though I was. So that past experience may be playing a role in my current feelings. But the two priests in my current parish are both very kind and I've never had this kind of attitude from them. Also there might be the pride of trying to work out my own salvation, which the devil might be using to keep me away from confession. I think secular means to fight addiction like nofap are extremely important and sometimes undervalued in the church, for me a purely spiritualized approach (i.e. just pray more) has never gotten me as far as nofap now, even though I don't have that many days yet. But for Catholics like us the two must be combined. And in the end the only thing that matters is our relationship to God. So if my recovery doesn't bring me closer to God then it is not a true recovery.

    Here's one more thought I had though, I wonder what you think of it. It sounds really weird, but here it is anyway. I feel like the devil is "giving me a break" right now temptation-wise because I am not in a state of grace anyway. He knows I will go to him if I die. (I haven't had as many strong urges as I would have expected after quitting PM so abruptly, i.e., withdrawal symptoms.) With fewer temptations it will be easier to get some sobriety "base". I worry that as soon as I am in a state of grace again, the devil will return with full-frontal assaults that I do not yet have the strength to withstand. But of course, that is also playing with my eternal fate, given the absence of state of grace.
     
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  8. CPilot

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    Again, we have much in common. I recall one or two confessions, as compared to hundreds, when the priest really missed the mark and/or rushed through the matter in a perfunctory way that did nothing for me. However, the vast majority of my confessions have left me elated.

    It might help you to think about Matt 12:43-45. "When an unclean spirit goes out of a person it roams through arid regions searching for rest but finds none. 44 Then it says, 'I will return to my home from which I came.' But upon returning, it finds it empty, swept clean, and put in order. 45 Then it goes and brings back with itself seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they move in and dwell there; and the last condition of that person is worse than the first...."

    These verses mirror my experience. During my days of PMO, after a good confession, it was not long before I was tempted to sin again. Often, I felt such relief by ridding myself from the burden of shame I carried, it was akin to how you feel after passing a big exam or winning a long race. My elation seemed to lower my inhibitions and/or I was simply exhausted and couldn't put up a fight.

    However, please don't be discouraged (that is another tool of the devil). In my case, it has been a long road to obtain real sobriety from this addiction but I assure you there is a point where these temptations don't hold enough power over you to make you falter. I do have to remain on my guard but as long as I remain close to God through prayer and the sacraments, I know I won't fall again.

    As you say, there is a corporal side to conquering this addiction. There are earthly and practical tactics like putting your computer/phone/ipad out of convenient reach when you know you are weak, forcing yourself to look away from salacious images and persons and never hunting for them. However, I am convinced these practical tactics cannot be maintained without spiritual underpinning. Christ gave us His Holy Spirt when He left this earth. We need the grace that the Holy Spirit provides in order to avoid sin. Therefore, things like NoFap are truly helpful but they cannot succeed without copious, heartfelt prayer and devotion to the Holy Trinity. Our Lady can also help with this. God has never refused a request she has made. So, praying to Our Lady for help is hugely effective.
     
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  9. timcia

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    Wikihow has a great article called "How to receive the Holy Spirit." I have studied that and it is helpful in quitting.
     
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  10. again

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    This is a great thread; lots of wisdom here.
     
  11. Ketherlonk

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    Yes, what a deeply unsettling and mysterious passage, like much of the Gospels. Upon reading it, one feels like there is no hope. But then, we know Jesus expelled many demons. There is also another passage where some of His disciples try to expel a demon and can't, but Jesus says that certain kinds of demons can only be expelled through prayer. Or they couldn't cast it out because of their little faith. Clearly only God's grace can save us in the end.

    The other way I read this passage (obviously not a canonical interpretation!) in my own life is that when the demon of PM addiction starts going out of me, it reveals "seven other spirits" -- things like fear, resentment, anger, worry that I had been using PM to cover up. And my condition feels worse than it was before. But it is a necessary step towards true healing; I need to face these other issues with all the secular and spiritual tools at my disposal.

    That is a huge encouragement for me, thank you for sharing it. It sounds like it is still a weakness but not of the compulsive type, which sounds much more manageable. And how wonderful that God makes us dependent on Him through prayer and the sacraments to remain outside the addiction. "Apart from Me you can do nothing."

    Yes, I agree with that. Otherwise, that is essentially pelagianism (believing we can save ourselves through sheer moral excellence). I need God's grace to have the strength to practice those tactics in the first place. Or, I can white-knuckle it for a while, but without God I will eventually peter out. The other way is see it is this: in porn, I am really searching for God, but in the wrong place. I need to reorient my search for God where I can actually find Him (prayer, sacraments, loving others). Christians are not stoics who resist moral evil for the purpose of achieving moral heroism; Christians resist moral evil because it is an obstacle on their way towards God, because it prevents them from reaching true happiness which is being lost in the ocean of Love that is God Himself.

    Let me conclude with a quote I love from Bishop Barron:

    When the divine power is the uncompromised center of our lives---as it is for the saints---then the myriad energies of our souls---intellectual, moral, physical, emotional, sexual---tend to fall into harmony around it.

    When Christ is the "ground" of the soul, the soul finds peace, order and beauty. Make God's will the center of your concerns, and your proximate needs, desires and longings will tend to find their place.
     
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    In Matthew 12 the spirit comes back and finds the home "Empty." As we start doing something for Jesus the Holy Spirit "fills" up the home. But it becomes a huge challenge if we only do a "little" bit for Jesus. Because the spirit comes back and now can fight and tempt us. But we can fight back and win. I love the prayer, "Father, take away this spirit of lust and help me to care about souls." With this prayer, we are fighting for our house and we are trying to get the house filled so that negative spirits start to lose interest in visiting anymore.
     
  13. Ketherlonk

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    I really like that!
     
  14. CPilot

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    I think you have made an excellent observation. Over the last year, other sinful traits within me, such as anger and pride came to the forefront of my life but God gave me the tools to deal with them more effectively than ever before. I overlooked these flaws for years but I was forced to confront them a few months ago. About this time, my loving wife introduced me to the Litany of Humility. This a very challenging prayer to take to heart but it also brought amazing insight, joy and freedom from my old self. I recite this prayer regularly with sincerity and fervor. I don't wish to suggest that I have achieved true humility but my eyes are opened to what that looks like. I can say that tackling this sin of lust has led to many good things. Some were not easy things but worthwhile things rarely are easy.
     
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  15. Ketherlonk

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    I looked up the Litany of Humility -- boy, that is a hard prayer indeed! But the last line really struck me:

    That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should.

    It almost seems to put the whole thing in context. The goal is not to try to outdo each other in heroic acts of virtue so as to win the moral competition (although parts of St. Paul sound like that sometimes). The goal is to become exactly the specific saint God wants ME to be. And that will look different for different people. Or, to put it differently, to try to better myself each day as opposed to trying to be better than others.
     
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    Yes, and the one who honestly tries to become a saint - day after day, the one will be set free from pmo and other addictions as a side effect. The aim to become a saint and on the way some side effects. There is no better and no more efficient side effect therapy. Our focuse should be on becoming a saint and ... all other necessary will be added to us. All efforts to become a saint are all in all a therapy - the growing of a new man. The new man doesn't use pmo. To focuse on getting rid of pmo is a mistake. It would be only to focuse on oneself. A good path to become a saint ( pmo free as one of many results) is to focuse on God. How to focuse on God without enough and frequent prayer?
    The pope John Paul II said that to become a saint is an obligation. And I thought for many years that it's something optional. This prolonged my state of slavery.
     
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  17. Ketherlonk

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    That is very true. I think becoming a saint in an obligation in the sense that it is the only way to become truly happy, which is what all human beings want. We are wired for God, and only God can satisfy our deepest longings. The saint is the one who loves God above all things, and all other things for the sake of God. In this he/she finds his/her true happiness.
    For me too, I thought for a long time that the pursuit of holiness is reserved for certain people, for examples priests and nuns. But pursuit of holiness just means pursuit of true happiness. Because we are made for God, only in the relentless pursuit of God can we ever hope to find this happiness. The more we make room for the Holy Spirit to dwell inside us, by prayer, the sacraments, and our concrete acts of self-discipline and love for others, the less we will find a need for compulsive acts like PMO.
     
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    Very true. I'm sure that you remember the line, "Our hearts were made for you Oh Lord and they shall not rest until they rest in You."
     
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    Exactly, it's because God is healing, the presence of God heals us. If we are not conscious of the presence of God we are cut off healing source. It must be understood literally. If anybody doubts then let them go to adoration of the Blessed Sacrament - at least 30 minutes. Then they'll know that this healing is real.
     
  20. Ketherlonk

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    @CPilot I noticed you just passed the 1-year mark -- congratulations!!!
     
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