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Desperate times for the unlucky few

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by Improv3r, Oct 29, 2021.

  1. Improv3r

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    I get you yeah. You are right I just have to find the desire to do it.
    You can check what I mean by RED PILL or google more on the red pill men theory.
    I was just ranting I guess...
     
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    Googled it. The oppression of the white man? Is that it?
     
  3. Improv3r

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    Uh not quite... red pill is mostly about men who are woke about women games and their fishing for attention thereby loosing your time.
    But it is much more than that hard to explain in one sentence. There are many videos about red pill wokeness online.

    p.s - just to give you info about the opposite of red pill - blue pill are actually men that are still thinking love exists like in the movies thereby simping to women and fulfilling their every desire. There is a lot of info about the subject online. Blue pill men are the ones that are still in the Matrix. Connected to the false reality that this Disney stuff exists. While woke men that are not connected to this surreal fairy tale are red pilled. All coming from the Matrix movie as a term. An example playlist of "woke" trainings HERE. I also recommend this content creator for more pillness just to give you an idea.
     
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    Lol, yeah. I'm not real interested--but I do appreciate you taking the time to provide me with the references! I think plain old respect goes a long way. Respect in both directions, men towards women and women towards men. If you don't respect a woman, don't expect her to love you. And if she doesn't respect you, there's no reason to stick around, yeah? It's a give and take type thing. And easier said than done. Respect is earned through time, effort, and persistence through times of trial. And I see respect as being a precursor to love. But maybe I'm a blue pill man. Or is there a middle pill? Lol. Idk.
     
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  5. Improv3r

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    Hahaha nah all is good. Just the times are different and respect is hardly something you find these days but I get you. :)
     
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    Very true, sadly. It does seem harder and harder to come by as time passes on. However, the good news is that its rarity means demonstrating it will automatically make one stand out from the crowd!
     
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  7. Improv3r

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    I've been wondering about that actually... do you stand out from the crowd or do most people consider this a weakness?
    It's funny how most humane values are viewed as a liability nowadays.
     
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    Good question. I feel like I stand out. For the most part, people enjoy me. Definitely not all, but a majority I would say. Perhaps because they get to feel seen and heard, which most people like. Now don't get me wrong...don't mistake kindness for weakness. I'll definitely stand firm on most of my positions these days. When I was younger, I may have been a pushover and maybe a little more open minded. But as I age, I'm getting a little more set in my viewpoints and will support them. I try and keep an open mind, but sometimes you got to lay it down a little more firm with people, especially if they are being irrational. Of course, this is all a matter of perspective, so maybe I'm wrong. Idk.
    In terms of standing out, I assume you mean for the ladies? I've posted on other peoples stuff about two bad experiences I had with girls. And I thought those were my only two experiences. But when I reflect on my life, I realize I've had several other encounters where I've been pursued or had the opportunity to pursue a girl with a high probability for success. However, a good portion of these instances were attention from gals who were twice my weight or age or had other less appealing qualities (in terms of sexual attraction...otherwise they were usually good people). Others I shied away from because I didn't feel worthy or didn't want to be set up (It felt like a handout, which didn't feel good...like I was incapable of finding a relationship on my own...which now may be true, lol). I was probably stupid. I don't understand some of the posts about guys not being able to find girls. I think there are plenty out there. But they don't look or act like porn stars, so....yeah, our standards have been tainted by porn. I should probably have pursued some of the less attractive gals who had beautiful souls. However, being a male, I foolishly wanted the physical attraction. I envisioned myself with some hottie. And that's dumb, cuz I'm no Brad Pitt. So double standards.
    But I'm sure most people consider people who are respectful and patient as weak. I tend to avoid them. Because who wants to spend time with assholes? Y'know? Idk. Maybe because I'm fast approaching the second half of my life (or may be in it), I care less about how I'm perceived by others. I need to learn to accept and embrace who I am and my viewpoints on life. And live by my own standards and views of right and wrong...because at the end of the day, I'm the one who has to be able to live with me. For better or worse.
    Probably a long answer that doesn't even answer your question. If not, I apologize.
     
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  9. Improv3r

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    That's true as we age we get to defend ourselves and our viewpoints more. When you are a kid you let other people trample over you which is the main factor for low self esteem.
    Also this affects how other people view you and the more you allow them to treat you this way the more they will do it. It's just nature.

    I was talking in general not just about ladies but since we are on the topic I don't think what you wanted is something of a big deal. We are visual creatures anyway.
    I mean it's completely normal to want someone that is hot compared to someone that is not. I mean that's the reality as sad as it is.
    There may be girls that are fat, even boys for that matter, that think life is all wine and roses but let's get real here. There's a reason why some people feel neglected and alone.
    Also there are a lot of overweight people that demand their partner to be sexier which is unreasonable and stupid. You have to know your limits.
    I doubt you wanted a real porn star. Mostly you wanted a neat partner that has good hygiene and takes care of herself that is also attractive.
    People perceive porn as the main issue for not giving attention to people that have good souls but if we are real here nobody falls for your soul at first.
    Everyone falls for your looks and maybe when they get to know you down the road for your soul. But that's a big IF.
    Just like beautiful women won't look at overweight men, beautiful men won't look at overweight women. These are just standards and they won't change ever.
    Unless I am wrong and in 50 years we evolve so much that we start to see souls instead of bodies as the ultimate value in the world.
    That's just plain and simple life. That's how things are and have been since we are on this planet.
    Wars, tactics, machines and way of living changed over the course of millennia but sex and attraction between our species remained the same. This should tell us something!

    I completely agree! I have less time if any to share with assholes. I don't wish to waste any second as I see how fleeting each moment can be. Loved ones passing etc.
    Life is flying away so fast that we should focus on the more important parts of it. Preserving your inner being in this day and age is the ultimate goal.
     
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  10. I smell Jordan Peterson from all the way here in Europe. In my opinion Petersonians overestimate, as Freud did, the role of sexuality and instinct in modern human society. While I agree that human peculiarity in the animal world is nothing but an exercise of hubris on our part, I do believe cold calculations do not have a major part in choosing who to partner with in life. This theory and the manosphere ignores stuff like education, primary and secondary socialization, and many other addendums civilized life offers. I'm not saying Peterson doesn't have anything to offer (because he has), but take what he says with a grain of salt.
    Or two.
     
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  11. Improv3r

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    Oh yeah yeah yeah I completely agree with you on that part. I am a fan of Jordan Peterson but I do believe his analysis is a bit over the top.
    Although it makes a lot of sense it is mostly subjective because as you said there is a difference in modern day human society than the animal kingdom.
    I don't know if that quote was from him though some guy in YouTube wrote it. I just quoted it because it really hit the mark on the modern day hypergamy.
    Nevertheless it matters what people you actually date as they have their own belief system that may be totally different than what you expect or "read" about.
     
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    What you allow is what will continue. I agree. Wholeheartedly.

    It's funny you state that. I had the conversation with a girl once. Should it be? I mean...idk. She agreed with you that we are visual creatures by nature. My debate with her is that we spend too much time on outward appearances (I don't know how the conversation got started). And idk. In reflecting in the last 1-2 weeks on times I let some "good" girls pass through my fingers...I kind of regret it now. They were probably worth more than any attractive female I could have wanted. Though even as I'm saying it, I feel like I'm lying. It's like my body wants one thing and my mind wants another. Idk, man. I'm probably insane on this end.

    Uh...idk. You may be right. I wouldn't want a harlot, I agree. Though I'm talking physical appearance, not sexual promiscuity. I think it's warped my mind...or body. I feel like my heart knows what is truth, but my body wants what it wants. But I agree that true love flows first from appearance and then from learning about the person. Or hate. Sometimes learning a person's personality can make them either more attractive or less attractive as you come to know them. Definitely and odd phenomenon. All in all, I think personality makes up the larger portion of the picture. And I honestly hope we can change the standards and that they aren't unchangeable. But it may be wishful thinking.
     
  13. Improv3r

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    I had thoughts about that as well many times. Yet in all these times when it comes to see that person again...
    Do you reeeeally wish to see him or are you forcing yourself just to be with someone?
    Sometimes I've set up dates with women just to give them a second chance like you said maybe I am crazy enough that I let those good girls pass through my fingers.
    But then why do I feel as if I am just trying to force myself being in peace with my decision and it is not a decision I wanted full heartedly?! You see what I mean?
    Because with pretty faces you never had the thought like oh I am not sure about this, it's like your heart was telling you oh damn I really want to be with her.
    Although your emotions can trick you at times I still feel that you should strive at the end to be where you wanna be really, from the bottom of your heart rather then just...
    settle for your less exciting thoughts and empower desires that were never there in the first place.

    Your mind is not warped at all it's just who we are. Did you notice that society and life today made us question everything about ourselves? Cancel culture and all that?
    Basically we are fighting an invisible ghost, we are fighting who we really are by nature and history knows that fighting against nature is always an uphill battle in fact..
    we are always on the losing side for that matter! Personality does make up the larger portion of the picture indeed!
    There's a saying (I will just paraphrase it from my own language because I don't know the actual one in English):

    People invite you in their homes and see you for your clothes first and later when you leave they show you out by your mind/personality.

    If we deconstruct that basically it's what you said. We first see the pretty face and then we fall for the mind/personality of the person.
    I may be wrong here but I think standards in nature are not called standards for nothing - they are immutable.
     
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    I mean...I kind of see what you're saying. But wouldn't you agree that the only reason it's not a wholehearted decision is because of the physical nature? I guess in my opinion, a marriage should be a friendship between a man and a woman that is celebrated through sex. So if there's no friendship, all else will eventually fail. You have to be able to get along with the female, and she has to be able to get along with you. That's where love comes in...you'll press through trial and hard times in the relationship for a friend, but not a foe. And as we established, a person can become more attractive physically to you if they have a genuinely good personality. So in the end, you may get the best of both worlds.
    In terms of NOT questioning this when you come across a pretty face, I would assert that this is just lust. A physical response that could potentially end up disastrous if she's a...well...less than pleasant woman. I would gander that in a survey of men, most would choose a pleasant, fun woman who is physically unattractive over a super hot bitch who makes your life miserable on a daily basis. There's no guarantee of sex...she could totally ice you. But yes, I do concede that the ideal candidate would be both attractive and have a good personality and that we shouldn't settle for less than we think we deserve...because that just breeds resentment. But that is hard to do, y'know? And that's how I think emotions trick us, in a contest between the two options, our dopamine from the physical attraction wins out over the logic our minds are telling us. But that's just my thoughts. I may be off base.

    "The unexamined life is not worth living," right? I do enjoy the philosophical debate, though. So thank you for that. It's been a while since I've had to put on my thinking cap.
     
  15. Improv3r

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    Absolutely! There MUST be friendship so this thing lasts. Maybe more than friendship RESPECT is required as well!
    I have a friend that has a girlfriend and they dated for over 7-8? maybe 10 years. They are together through thick and thin.
    When you see their profiles it's all about them - where they go, what they eat, what they watch everything. When you look at their faces they are THE SAME!
    I mean this guy totally found his other half! I don't necessarily believe in this crap but apparently for some lucky few there really is a one and only person.
    She literally looks like him I swear! Obviously more attractive and feminine but it's like when you see them you instantly know nothing can separate them.
    The thing is this guy has what I like to call "the full package"! Hot chick, looking the same as him, nice personality (I met her she is an angel) and faithful.
    One day if they get married I will be truly happy for them I kid you not. But I also truly believe that sex is also very very important!
    If you can't have a physical attraction (maybe a normal amount of lust) about the other the relationship is also doomed to fail.
    Or maybe I am just a terrible person don't know haha.

    Hence going back to what I wanted to say - the girl may have the nicest of souls but if she doesn't arouse me that much I doubt I will invest anything...
    Also I would much rather be alone then being with a person that has a nice heart but doesn't get me the stuff I need be that the sex I like, the face I like, the communication I like...
    I still think we should search for the perfect thing rather than settle for something. Life may be harder down the road when you become more and more alone I wouldn't know yet.
    But nevertheless just to be with someone for the sake of it sounds very sad and depressing. I remember a scene from this comedy movie "The Wedding Ringer" watch it it's very fun.
    The groom right at the actual wedding says to his friend that he doesn't want to marry the chick right?
    His best man says oh come on it won't be that bad or something it will be ok.
    And here is where it hit me, the groom says - but I don't want to be ok, I want it to be perfect!

    Thank you for that as well! I very much enjoy discussions like this! It definitely triggers your brain cells to work up a bit haha
     
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    You don't respect your friends? Tsk tsk, lol :)

    But doesn't super high standards by definition set you up for a TON of failure? I mean, if it works out, that's awesome, but...we all want a goddess. Not sure that will happen for everyone.

    I'll write that down and keep my eye out for it.

    See above comment. If we go for perfection, we set ourselves up for failure, right? And I know if a chick wanted me to be perfect, I will most definitely disappoint (so double standards, yeah?). Sometimes our expectations can cause more problems than they are worth. Being content whenever, wherever is ideal. If you are good being alone, great! But if you want to be with someone, I think concessions are necessary.
     
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    I noticed that for myself... I had the (I dunno privilege? or curse? maybe both) to have my ex as pretty hot and pretty crazy.
    We dated for a year and a half and had the best sex I've had in my life. She was gorgeous and attracted other guys but was a bit of a bag full of cats if you know what I mean.
    I couldn't take the pressure and even though I was postponing the break up because of the sex, eventually I decided to call it quits.
    There are days that I regret that decision when I am horny but at other days I am happy that I no longer have to put up with the crazy drama drama drama!

    So in terms of wanting a "goddess" I found that I have my tastes skewered by her.
    When I chat with women over the datings apps if I notice something I don't like particularly like her body, or some other small thing I consider "not hot enough" I don't meet her at all.
    For this I blame my taste and my ex. If it comes out as bragging I apologize it is NOT!
    In fact this is pushing me to a very dark pit of despair and sadness daily because I am searching but rarely find someone I like yet meeting is almost impossible unless she swipes too.

    I guess I have to swallow my pride? is it pride not sure probably porn induced tastes and get someone that is okish.
    I don't know what to think anymore the apathy forbids me doing that anyway...
     
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    Hey, man. I understand completely. Maybe I've come across too strong in my position--I didn't want to crush your spirits! And I don't take it as bragging at all (all's good :)). All I can say is that I think that my mind has been skewed by porn and television. There's a ton of beautiful people on TV shows and movies...and I think we all live vicariously through these actors (television, movies, porn). Thus, when we don't get some super hot chick that we see on TV, movies, or porn, we're like, "What the hell?" I mean, I can see it in my own ideation of how I want my life to turn out. If I can't find a hottie in my area, I'll do a mail order bride service. How fucked up is that? I would rather push my advantage and privilege in order to simply get a more attractive spouse. Selfish? Absolutely. Set me up for failure? Debatable, but most likely. Psychology shows most people are attracted to people like themselves. If I go to an entirely different culture for love, chances for a solid relationship are low because we will have stark differences in numerous areas of our lives. The biggest point I'm getting at is this: Beauty is only skin deep. We all succumb to age at some point and beauty fades. If you find someone with a good personality and is fun to be around, you've got it made. And I'm not at all disputing that a person with a good personality that also happens to be attractive would be a huge boon. But, personally, I think I'd be okay with an average chick with a good personality or maybe even a slightly less than average woman who has an AMAZING personality. But opinion. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, my man. I am only human after all.
     
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  19. Improv3r

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    Facts! Plus I never considered myself as a CHAD or Ken doll so I should definitely lower my standards lol
    Nice discussion though
     
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