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Im feeling stuck in life

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Hold the Line, Dec 24, 2021.

  1. Hold the Line

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    i can't seem to get my excitement for life back, my issue is that i can't invest and pass difficulties, such as getting a degree, getting a better job, working out, there is some missing link i can't seem to lay my finger on, i have gotten a 104 day streak and i was actually kind of the same...
    and i cant seem to get rid of these fucking back problems that are giving me hell for over 2 years now...
    back, neck, shoulders, they're all cramped and sore, it's NONSTOP, for over 2 years.
    can you imagine how depressing and frustrating this is?
    i have an active lifestyle i walk alot i work alot, nothing seems to help, same goes for passion for life, i've been watching some of tony robbins's videos, he is saying you need to find your passion, do what you love, but frankly i am trying my best and cant get myself to get throgh this phase.
    i'm 22 but mentally i still feel 14-15, i am cold to my family (mother and brother), it's a very old habit, i don't know why!
    i cant seem to act regular with them not matter how hard i try conciously, i dont know if its shame or what...
    i am very happy and cheerful with my friends, laughing and such, even if my brother shows me somthing funny, i try not to laugh, not to show a face, i dont know why!!!
    this is a habit i have since the age of 12-13
    to address the issue of sexuality, i think i am ''sexually frustrated''.
    i am 22 years old, virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, nothing...
    not comparing myself to others of anything but i feel i want it in my life.
    whenever i feel meh but then i meet a girl i know that im attracted to and hug to to greet it makes me feel so euphoric.
    in my social enviroment we dont have women and mostly are guys, most are gaming geeks so we dont hang out, nearly ever.
    and my poor game makes it hard to find a girlfriend...
    so in addition i feel in a loop that im trying to get a nofap streak but feeling so sexually tense and anxious, overly energetic, i cant seem to fall asleep...
    i take 1-1.5 hours to fall asleep.
    i truely believe i can get out of this, but i feel i need guidance, i know it can look silly to look it in online forum but i've tried a therapist, i've tried to change my weird mentallity with my family, schooling and getting a better job, i seem to have very low willpower, although very ambitious, which makes this even harder.
    so to sum up its alot of a vent post but i would really really appreciate if anyone could try and give me some insight about these subjects, maybe someone has been there himself, thank you for reading.
     
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  2. mentorr

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    I can relate to a lot of what you have said here.

    2 questions and I understand if you do not want to answer them:

    - how did therapy go?
    - what was your childhood like?
     
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  3. NutMaster777

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    Well, for starters I think most of this guru guys are absolute jerks.

    “Look for your passion”, “Do what you want”, those are words easy to say when you know what you want, nobody tells you how to find it, if it really exists… So my point of view is: happiness and passions are overrated, don’t do things because you like to, but do them because they’re good for you and they’ll make you virtuous, like eating healthy, working out, researching about art, the human body, etc.

    So if you haven’t found your passion, here’s what you can do: be passionate about the things you do, even if they’re not your passion; maybe you’ll end up making that your passion or in the worst case, opening doors for the future, because people will remember your willing attitude. I spent the last two years in a misery well, but I finally found something I like, which paradoxically was the thing I wanted to do in the first place but I was misguided by my own prejudice.

    Good luck.
     
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  4. Hold the Line

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    hi, thank you so much for answering, sorry if it's going to be long.
    i've been under therapy since age 13 because i had an eating disorder, i was underweight and had what i though was an anxiety from vomiting, whenever i felt full, i got scared, so i stopped eating.
    i did had this anxiety, however it was just a fraction from a larger scale social anxiety coupled with low self love, i hated myself, i was so negative, i sucked at school and still remember it had a terrible time because that's what i experianced back then.
    i stopped going to therapy 2 months ago, im alot better now, when i was 13 i was scared to go to school, stores, even the park for a walk...
    i still have some inherent issues i cant seem to fix.
    my childhood wasn't easy, i was grown by a single mother who was at work when i was a kid, i got raised by a nanny, and later, my grandfather, rest his soul.
    my father died when i was 4, from a heart attack, my mother still didnt fully recover from that, that was in 2003.
    my brother is alot older than me, 35 yo, he was in the army when i was a kid and only got out some years ago.
    so most of the time i was alone with my pc, playing video games or skyping with friends, not much good memories, my family is very small because most of my father's side stopped contact with us after he died, my mother is a single child.
    my mother gave birth to me at the age of 44, my father was 45.
    my mother is almost 66 years old now... im only 22.
    i lost all my grandfathers and grandmothers, when i was 17 i had none left.
    that is why i have inherent issues with loneliness, it make me feel terrible.
    reguarding to sexual matters, i never had any sexual relations, not even kissing a girl, needless to say, a relationship.
    it brought me to a state of sexual frustration.
    anyway, because i was a pc geek i had low social skill and at elementary i got picked at alot, i think that is when i started having trust issues with humans, i still do till this day.
    at highschool i was somewhat better socially, and gotten friends, but even back then, the spark i had as a kid, was none-existant.
    don't get me wrong, there are things i really like, such a food, hangouts, cars.
    but i feel like in aang in avatar, and i have blocked chi's, know what im saying?
    like something isn't right.
    i eat well, i dont drink, dont smoke, dont do pot...
    yet i have anger issues, frustrated easly, at work and such.
    i stopped going to therapy because i felt its a waste of money, and that he didnt understood me, never. i think most of the progress i made was self made.
     
  5. Hold the Line

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    i also seem to put alot of my happiness in things that i cant get...
    thought its worth mentioning.
    there's this BMW i really want, and i fantasize buying it, taking care of it and feeling all happy, blessed and i won't need anything else and blah blah blah, bullshit my brain tells me, it was the same before i got my mazda...
    happy for a week and then you're the same again
     
  6. Hold the Line

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    i feel over energetic but in a bad, stoic way.
    i dont feel like i want to run or workout, i just keep tensing up at work, home or where ever
     
  7. Hold the Line

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    yes, i had 2 herniated disc in neck, nothing else
     
  8. Hey! I can relate to your story. Feeling frustrated, both sexually and in general, feeling like something is missing, not feeling excited about things and so on. This year I have been trying to focus on "finding joy". With this I mean, trying to focus on seeing joy in the things I do and actively working against things that take away my happiness. Each day I try to note down things that made me happy. Can be tiny things, such as having a productive day at work, or going for a nice run, or having a good conversation with someone, having a good meal etc. Then in the end of the week I sum up the things I wrote down each day to have some highlights of the week. And then for the end of the month I do the same and note down some of the things I enjoyed the most during the last weeks. This way it helps me remember the best highlights, but also to see progress on a larger scale. There might be many quite boring, or even miserable days, but overall I'm going in the right direction. It seems like you have very good habits already, and looking at it on a larger time scale might help you see progress.

    I also noted down things that actively took away my joy during the day. I noticed that most things that made me feel sad, or drained of energy can be lumped into a few interconnected categories that I actually can try to adress, which I have done with varying success:

    - Dwelling and lingering on things of the past which I can't change and can't do anything meaningful with. Going over past mistakes over and over or dwelling on things that happened many years ago where I felt like I was treated badly was a habit I had. Going over the same shit over and over in my head and languishing just causes me pain and sadness. I'm trying to let go of these things, not see myself as a victim but focus on what I can do today.
    - Jealousy. I realised that I'm very jealous. It was not nice to realise this, it's easier to imagine that I'm unlucky or poorly treated, but what's causing sadness is my own jealousy. I compared myself to others, putting my progress and life in relation to that of others instead of trying to do the best I can with my own life. This made me feel like I sucked no matter what, because there is always someone better at me in everything in life. Seeing people my age get married, or getting proper jobs etc made me feel like I was failing. This is still difficult for me, but I try to notice quickly when I'm comparing myself to others. People are better than me in all fields of my life, but in the combination of all the things I'm doing, in my own life, I'm making progress compared to me in the past. Sometimes I find it helps to imagine things that I have accomplished that other people could get jealous over. We are all incomplete
    - PMO. This is a specific thing that could ruin an entire day or couple of days that I'm trying to adress as well. For now I've managed to avoid porn for a while, but am more lenient with moderate masturbation. This has worked for me for a while now.
    - Screen time, especially when I lose myself into the screen and spend much more time than I planned. Any type of mindless scrolling on social media, news, youtube where I "lose myself" can really make me feel like shit. I counterintuitive try to allow myself some more screen time, telling myself that I can spend an hour watching youtube and making active choices what I watch instead of getting stuck in a rabbit hole of mindless videos.
    - Sleep. This is still a big problem for me. I go to bed too late more or less every night. I find it very difficult to both plan my day so I get to bed in time, and not get distracted in the evening.
    - And maybe most importantly, being too hard on myself. Beating myself up too much if I make any of the mistakes above, feeling like I'm a failure if I don't manage to do all the things I wanted in a day, or week, or month.

    This ended up being longer than I anticipated, but these are some thoughts I have had the over the last year. Feel free to write a private message if you want, I think we are in similar situations and could help each other out :)
     


  9. And this video by CGP Grey about "How to maximise misery" has helped me. It's a funny way to think about finding happiness and there were some important lessons I could take from it.
     
  10. Hold the Line

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    in the neck, back, shoulders
     
  11. Hold the Line

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    done these for far too long... with no benefits...
    all kinds of therapy, acupuncture, phyisical therapy, massages, osteotherapy, NOTHING HELPS!!!
     
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  12. Hold the Line

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    i feel the ''inner fire'' is missing, and i don't know how to find it again.
    i take example of youtubers that invest much time and effort into the things they love.
    i cant invest time and effort to anything, i feel lethargic, sort of lazy.
     
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  14. mentorr

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    Can I just say - despite not knowing you, it makes me sad to hear that you've had to endure so much at such a young age. But also, well done on being so self aware at such a young age. While I am nowhere near a therapist, I can relate to a lot of your symptoms. Also while I haven't fixed my own issues, I have recently been able to get some support and found that the methods taught to me are helping. I'm hoping by sharing some of the info here with you they might help.

    Whether you believe it or not, most if not all of your symptoms very likely relate to emotional repression. For many years I have also suffered similar if not the same symptoms:

    • Lack of excitement
    • Never being able to finish anything (degree, courses, projects)
    • Consistent back problems despite working out regularly
    • Trouble sleeping (30mins-1hr)
    • Very little memory of my childhood
    • At 33 I still feel as though I am in my 20s
    • I have random mood swings and get triggered easily
    The first thing that people think and say when hearing this is, 'why would emotions be the cause of physical pain and illness?!'. In theory it is pretty simple. Lets say when growing up your parents might have been emotionally abusive. They are there (physically) but emotionally they are unavailable. When you cried they ignored you, they never took notice of your likes (and dislikes). In short they were unable to care for you and validate you and your feelings. As a result, you begin to repress the negative emotions from these experiences to avoid feeling any pain. As you grow up, these emotions remain repressed. A good example of this is where you said; 'I struggle to trust other humans'.

    What we have to understand is that emotion is energy. In the same way that sexual desire when not expressed becomes sexual tension, repressed emotions that are not processed remain within the body. This is also known as neurosis. Repressed emotions not only affect us emotionally, but physically. This is what we have to get our head around. Repressed emotions manifest emotionally in the form of anxiety, addiction, anger/rage and other unconscious destructive patterns. Physically, they manifest in the form of illness and disease. Whether you believe it or not, the build-up of subconscious negative forces (from your childhood) can (and will) manifest in your body physically.

    I, like you, have also adhered to NoFap religiously. For the past 29 months I have cut all porn/masturbation and kept all O to an absolute minimum. However in truth not much has really changed. I still rarely get morning wood, and if I do its barely there. I still feel emotionally numb, limited to a handful of negative emotions. I still have mood swings when I feel emotionally threatened. I have watched fellow fapstronauts start their streak after me and heal before me. The reality is that for us, we have more work to do. We have to dig deeper into our emotional past and come to terms with what has happened. Yes I know it sucks, but I will tell you what, a) you will feel 5000x better than you once was and b) it is certainly worth the effort .

    To explain in the best way that I can; the reason you still feel 14-15 despite being 22. Or that you are cold to your mother and brother. Or that you don't have many positive memories. Or even why you can't give your all to difficult challenges, is because emotionally a part of you is missing. Sorry to use the guru phrasing, but simply put; when you suffer from emotional hardship at such a young age, a part of your psyche 'caves in on itself'. An example, my Dad was emotionally abusive to me at a young age. If I cried I would be abused even more. So I didn't cry and held all the emotion in until it was over. Jump forward 25 years to 2 months ago. My manager shouted at me for not completing a task correctly. My immediate reaction was to shout her down, exclaiming that she needed to watch how she spoke to me. To summarise, my reaction was no different than that of my 8 year old self. The abuse received from my younger years has stagnated my emotional growth. I am still carrying around the negative, unresolved emotions from my childhood. The anger is unresolved and affecting me not just emotionally but physically. To go even deeper, you may notice that these events continue to occur regularly. Almost as if they are following you. The negative emotions that lie repressed in your subconscious mind will attract these same situations to give you opportunities to allow your anger to play out - whether you believe it or not. Its another way of getting your attention to indicate that something is emotionally wrong.

    @Hold the Line I hope some of this can point you in the right direction and isn't merely a long ramble. NoFap also has its place in this post, but maybe if there's enough of a need, ill put it into a separate post. If I can make some suggestions to really make some progress:

    1. To begin to heal, you have to start processing some of these negative emotions. You have to learn to feel.
    2. If you can, read: Healing Your Lost Inner Child by Robert Jackman. It explains in good detail and clarity why you are experiencing the symptoms that you are experiencing. It gives examples of others who have gone through the same experience as you, as well as how to fix the issues.
    3. Emotional Clearing - John Ruskan explains how masturbation and porn etc. tie in with your emotions, and provides good clarity.
    4. I know you struggled with therapy, but therapy will help. IF you have the correct therapist. I also started with a 'shoddy' therapist who just took my money to listen. Go for a therapist that is active, compassionate and pushes you to work on yourself and be better. I currently see a psychotherapist who is almost more excited than me to see me get my feelings back. Invest in being your better self.
    5. Message me any day or time if you need support
    6. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
     
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  15. Hold the Line

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    For the first time, it feels like someone actually gets me, it feels incredible.
    Not even my mother, my brother, my therapist who i worked with for almost 10 years! age 13-22, could understand what i felt, i always tried to make him understand.
    Thank you for taking the time to write this, i'll do my best and i am fully confident that i'll heal out of this, i caught this early enough at my age.
     
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    Dont compare yourself to youtubers, half of their persona is fake and you have no idea if they actually have the routines they say they have. And even if they are doing good in life and are not lying about it, do not compare yourself to them.

    You do not have an inner fire? Search for it. We all had to at one point, usually we feel lost even more than once. Life not having a meaning has a meaning. You will find yourself. As I remember, (I might be wrong about this) I recommended reading about philosophies or religions to you on a different post that you wrote about this same subject. They tend to answer to these questions about what life is about. You can pick the ones that excite and feel right to you.
     
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  17. Hold the Line

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    sometimes the venting alone makes you feel a little better, thanks for sharing.
     
  18. thikk

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    Just sending a message of support here. I felt lack of excitement for anything, couldn't complete anything (basically failed professional registration exams, my uni etc), and had depression associated with my low moods and anger. I also had professional help, got on meds, and got very overweight.

    I did 90+ day nofap in 2020, got physically fit, passed my postgrad, got a job, now making meaningful friendships and relationships. Your case is definitely complicated, and you may need more support, but from a pmo addiction perspective definitely work on that. It contributes to a lot of mental health and stagnation issues. Good luck man.
     

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