Tired of therapists defending porn

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by cleaningupmyact, Dec 15, 2021.

  1. cleaningupmyact

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    its kind of a negative feedback loop though:
    the p industry has huge influence and society has normalized this crap so of course scientists are biased too- labcoats also jerk.

    dont get me wrong, therapy is great, healthy, and good if you have a good therapist. its helped my life so much.
    its just this one topic thats so rough....like trying to convince someone that smoking is bad in like 1900, before the science "proved" it.

    you dont need science studies for everything. look at the smoker with the hole in his neck. read the posts here and look at the ED, rises in violence, weird fetishes, super young sexualization, unplanned pregnancy, etc.
     
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  2. She meant to say "I have actually no single idea."
    She was just too proud to admit, and needed "science" to save herself.
     
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  3. janewhite

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    Just a perspective… I am new to this forum and I am here for my husband. I do watch porn. Now, that my husband is quitting I will support him but I am not addicted like he is. I went months without it at times without wanting or needing it. I achieve orgasm through regular intercourse with spouse and i can achieve it myself without him, just relax, take a bath, and think about something sexy, even my spouse for that matter. I think it is possible to watch porn without being addicted. For me the problem is when porn replaces normal sex life,replaces intimate connection, and that is the issue for my husband. I do think it is addicting but not for everyone.
     
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  4. I hear you. A good analogy would be saying you are addicted to seeing desperate drug addicted hookers for sex. I bet any therapist would say that is a bad thing for you and the person that is selling themselves to feed their own addiction. Yet, so many women are doing this in the porn industry and it is somehow better because it's on a screen and "less real" and "everyone does it".

    You wouldn't say to someone that watches murder videos on some gore site that that is ok and healthy, if everyone else is doing it you would say society is sick. Most porn is very cruel and dehumanizing on the participants.
     
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  5. VinceLaCroix

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    Porn is bad. It hijacks human essence - human will to create - and turns it into a mindless hedonism of lowest kind. Just think about it. People are driven by their life energy. It is both the energy to reproduce and the striving to achieve something, it is the same thing. By using porn people reject that energy, spill it down the drain and their brains are being fooled into believing that they are achieving their purpose and all is well and no further actions are necessary, they lose their motivation to develop in all areas of life because why bother? Everything seems fine. But it only seems fine, in fact it is an illusion and eternal stagnation. I speak from my own experience. I've been an addict for 12 years or so. Everytime I wanted to create something, a poem, a novel, a drawing, i'd start working on it, then jerk off and all the urges to develop my ideas further would just disappear. It was a constant cycle I only recently began to break by abstaining.
    Even if it is not evil, it is still nothing good at all and nothing worth defending. I'd give a proper kick to the fool of a therapist that would try and brainwash me into believing that there is nothing wrong with it.
     
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  6. NutMaster777

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    I agree with the obsession/compulsion. Of course porn or drugs are not the root cause, they’re a consequence.
    Yet, I disagree with the comparison between porn and food, since the real comparison would be sex and food; it’s fair to compare porn to junk food though, but that wouldn’t fit your point well.
     
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  7. I've heard about this kind of predicament from many threads and I purposely do not bring it up in my therapy sessions because I think they won't believe a word I'm telling them. The comparison with smoking is really good imo.
     
  8. DesertExplorer

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    Haven't had that before because I generally don't trust the "professionals".

    But I was sure it was this way since psychologists and other "experts" do defend porn use online.

    For me, it's simple. They are consumers themselves and often very smart but naive people at the same time.

    Very bad combination. These people are very skilled at excusing their behaviors no matter if they're bad or good. And for the same reason, they also are very skilled at debating.

    My problem with them is that they harm other people who are not educated enough about porn to understand their fallacies. They can wank away for all I care.
     
  9. NutMaster777

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    Yeah, but my point is that nor porn neither junk food are healthy per se, they’re not the devil either for that matter, but since junk food isn’t good or necessary in your life, I simply wanted to point out that it’s a much more fair comparison than comparing porn to food.
     
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  10. Igaleksus

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    Had the same problem. Numerous of therapists and mental-health consultants told me that porn and masturbation is ok. A lot of people that I were asking about it, also told me, that it is typical and normal. I am pretty supressed by this fact, feeling myself miserable and lonely in big world. I even been told by therapists that it is required for mental health. I don't know, now I having doubt in the righteness of nofap-way. But what I understood - that I must not listen to other people, because they can tell a lot of things, that can confuse me and depress me. It is pretty frustrating and feeling very lonely and sad, but it seems that I can rely only on myself in this way, and on this community.
     
  11. cleaningupmyact

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    it is also possible to smoke without becoming addicted. to shoot up heroin without becoming addicted. to use cocaine, meth, and PCP without becoming addicted...

    all of those are better than the p industry. your husband is going through a living hell. glad u are here and supporting him...
     
  12. cleaningupmyact

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    Sorry you had therapists tell you this. It is so damaging :(
    Humans existed for millennia without p. It is not necessary or "good for you" in any way. There are some good therapista out there thst know this, but the vast majority are still consumerals themselves.

    Imagine going to see a doctor in the 1600s. they used to literally cut you open to "bleed out" illness. Or theys torture witches to make them confess they have a pact with the devil... (common innsalem witch trials)

    Or seeing a doctor in the 19th century- theyd tell you smoking is OK for you and probably woulds see no problem with you eating with lead utensils (common cause of death of royal families was lead poisoning b/c no one knew better)..

    in the 1950s doctors thought they could cure mental illness and make people not gay by using shock treatments and othee tortures (I met a survivor of childhood shock treatments, lord was he messed up).

    Doctors and therapista have done dumb shit for centuries, often when the social society deemed it acceptable.

    Does p make you feel happy, fulfilles, healthy, ambitious, respectful of all humanity, goal oriented, self-confident?
    i somehow doubt it. its a messed up drug, pure and simple.
     
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    sorry for typos. post editor doesnt work in my browser...but i think you get what im saying.
     

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