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Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by IGY, Feb 7, 2022.

  1. IGY

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    The following editorial was published on the BBC News Page (UK) a few hours ago
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    Porn websites will be legally required to verify the age of their users under new internet safety laws.

    The legislation, which is part of the draft Online Safety Bill, aims to give children better protection from explicit material.

    The measures, to ensure users are 18 or over, could see people asked to prove they own a credit card or confirm their age via a third-party service.

    Sites that fail to act could be fined up to 10% of their global turnover.

    The Online Safety Bill is expected to be introduced to parliament over the next few months and is designed to protect users from harmful content.

    Children's safety groups have long been calling for age verification on porn sites, over fears it is too easy for minors to access publically available material online.

    Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point.

    Experts who work with children say it gives them unhealthy views of sex and consent, putting them at risk from predators and possibly stopping them reporting abuse.

    Announcing the age verification plans, Digital Economy Minister Chris Philp said: "Parents deserve peace of mind that their children are protected online from seeing things no child should see."

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    As well as being able to fine websites that do not follow the rules, the regulator Ofcom could block them from being accessible in the UK.

    The bosses of these websites could also be held criminally liable if they fail to cooperate with Ofcom.

    Previously, only commercial porn sites that allowed user-generated content were in the scope of the Online Safety Bill, but all commercial porn sites will now be covered.

    Andy Burrows, of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), welcomed the strengthening of the Online Harms Bill but said it didn't go far enough.

    "It's right the government has listened to calls to fix one of the gaps in the Online Safety Bill and protect children from pornography wherever it's hosted," he said.

    "Crucially, they have also acted on our concerns and closed the 'Only Fans loophole' that would have let some of the riskiest sites off the hook despite allowing children access to extremely damaging material.

    "But the legislation still falls short of giving children comprehensive protection from preventable abuse and harmful content and needs significant strengthening to match the government's rhetoric and focus minds at the very top of tech companies on child safety."

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    Proposals to make people confirm their age before accessing explicit content online were first introduced under the Digital Economy Act in 2017, but the government never enforced them.

    They were officially dropped in 2019, with ministers pledging "other measures" would achieve the same results.

    When the first draft of the Online Safety Bill was announced last year, campaigners were shocked it did not contain these long-promised checks.

    Privacy concerns
    It will be up to companies to decide how best to comply with the new rules, but Ofcom may recommend the use of certain age verification technologies.

    However, the government says firms should not process or store data that is irrelevant to the purpose of checking someone's age.

    Despite the widespread use of age verification technology in sectors such as online gambling, there are still fears it poses privacy risks.

    Campaigners have warned that a database of pornography users would be a huge hacking target for blackmailers.

    Jim Killock of the Open Rights Group, which campaigns to preserve digital rights and freedoms, said the rules would benefit age verification companies while offering "little practical benefit for child safety, and much harm to people's privacy".

    "There is no indication that this proposal will protect people from tracking and profiling porn viewing," he told the BBC.

    "We have to assume the same basic mistakes about privacy and security may be about to be made again."

    But Iain Corby, executive director of the Age Verification Providers Association, said firms he represented had developed a wide-range of methods to prove someone's age online without disclosing their identity to the websites their visit.

    "By using independent, third-party organisations which are audited and certified to comply with the highest standards of data protection and security, adults can be confident their own privacy will be preserved while their children are protected."
     
  2. These are good steps

    But how many kids under 18 will click the "no" button when asked if they are 18 years or older?
     
  3. Dizzy Lotus

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    I don't think many would, to be honest! If I recall correctly, you needed to be at least 15 to use Habbo, but around sixth grade (10 years old) most guys and some girls in my class had an account on it.
    I am personally very honest, but even I lied about my age on sites that asked this question, as a teen.
    Moreover, many sites don't even have this button, and those that do first display the homepage with the filthy thumbnails, and then overlay the button on top of that!

    So I think that this measure is necessary.

    Thanks for sharing, IGY. I hope this will get through and be implemented well! Other countries might follow, and some sites might choose to verify users' age regardless of location.
     
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  4. Ah that's something I missed.
    In that case it can be a really good way in the prevention.
     
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  5. IGY

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    It seems they will use either credit card details or "age verification technologies". So it will not be a simple yes/no option.
     
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  6. Psalm27:1my light

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    Finally, a step in the right direction. Remember when they use to have vending machines to sell cigarettes? And kids could buy alcohol for their “ parents”? Took a while to protect kids from those things but it happened, so hopefully porn sites will end up having to strictly verify the age of everyone who uses them. .
     
  7. Dizzy Lotus

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    Right? I thought this was the case.
    It's what I can ask about if someone says that this is a bad deal, for reasons of free choice and own responsibility.
     
  8. Psalm27:1my light

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    Yup-I’m old enough to remember buying cigarettes for granddad out if a vending machine. Then getting the candy cigarettes for me! Lol
     
  9. Smokedaddy

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    I'm not very tech savvy, but surely this wouldn't be a hard thing for a lot of young people to get around? Like use a VPN or something?
     
  10. I think this is a great step in the right direction. I hope that in the future most countries will have adopted these kinds of laws.
     
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  11. FoundTheFreedom

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    I wish this would happen in the United States as well. Also, an investigation into porn sites to ensure they don't have child porn or incentivize human trafficking. Both would be excellent ideas if they were ever implemented.

     
  12. SlimTeleGuy

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    Definitely a step in the right direction. But with access to Twitter/Reddit you can see just about anything you would find the typical porn site. Its a gesture that won't really offer much resistance in my opinion. But still cool that people are taking those steps. I really feel like more people are starting to understand that porn isn't harmless. The rise in mental health awareness seemed to ignore the role porn can play in messing with people's minds. But I think more people are waking up to how weird porn is haha. Just the whole practice and purpose of it let alone the effects of it. Thanks for sharing this news
     
  13. Dizzy Lotus

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    Sure. You need a lot more curiosity to circumvent something like this, though, than you do to simply Google something like 'sex video' and click the first result.
     
  14. IGY

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    It is like anything else. If someone really wants to do it, they will find a way. The main purpose seems to be to prevent kids stumbling across it unwittingly. Anything that creates a barrier to porn exposure has to be positive in my opinion. :)

    However, there should also be much greater efforts made to improve the inadequate teaching of sex education in school. There should be guidance and discussions about relationships and consent. These are two areas notably absent in porn.

    Porn propaganda is that everybody's gagging to have sex all the time, porn has no love in it and there is no consent. :(

    Furthermore, parents need to step up and give proper sex education at home. It is negligent not to do so.
     
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  15. Dizzy Lotus

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    Of course. [​IMG] Steps in the good direction are good, though, even when there is still a long way to go. Banning cigarette ads aimed at kids was a long way from properly educating against smoking, strictly regulating cigarette sales, etc (to be honest, personally I think that in my country they're going a bit too far: a cigarette addict should be able to attend university without experiencing constant withdrawal symptoms, for example), but it was, looking back on it, obviously a necessary and a good step. [​IMG]

    I am not expecting sex education to include the possible implications of porn any time soon. It would be great, but I don't think it will happen. [​IMG] However, I do think it probable that the generation now growing up will have sex education focusing on consent and relationships, because of all the #metoo business. Most that I can remember from my sex education in school (~10 years ago) was that you should use a condom, so giving some attention to consent would already be an improvement.
     
  16. smh_fam

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    I definitely have some doubts about how well this will be implemented. The UK doesn't have a "Great Firewall of China" setup where they can flip a switch and block content of their choosing nationwide.

    At best they might get some of the big professional sites to comply with the regulations. They might block a few hundred sites that refuse to comply, which is a drop in the bucket considering the millions of currently live porn sites and thousands more coming online every day.

    We'll see, but my guess is that this will be legislation which will exist on paper but without any serious enforcement.
     
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    It's a good step, if it works, but what this story and the reaction to it has made me realise is that for the vast, vast majority, porn addiction and its effects are still seen as a big joke.

    Maybe having spent so much time on here with like-minded people I'd started to believe that society was really starting to recognise how damaging pornography use can be but clearly that is still very much far from the case. Stepping outside of this forum and reading the reactions to this move from the UK government you quickly realise that we are such a tiny minority in our views, to the point where it even made me start to question myself but I am defiant in my belief that everything I believe to be true with regards to long-term porn use is absolutely correct, I would bet my life on it. Every relapse I have I may as well be injecting poison straight into my brain, I am not crazy, the effect it has on me is absolutely undeniable.

    Some of the takes I have seen from people in response to this news are unbelievable, the worst being that now our kids won't be able to access porn safely ... Jesus F Christ facepalm x1000. The stupidity is too overwhelming for me to argue against.
     
  18. We need to look at the other side of the medal, what possible issues would that cause in the long run. Perhaps x-rated sites on the down-low iceberg of internet where things aren't regulated at all would emerge leaving outlet for people to find the shortcut to the ID regulation
     
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  19. StayClean&Proactive

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    Honestly I feel like they'll find new ways to access porn. Looking up topless girls on google search, Instagram girls who are half dressed, youtube videos with sexual content, etc........
     
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  20. Dizzy Lotus

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    Of course. Making it impossible for children and teens to access sexual content is not among the possible implications of this move, I think. It does, however, decrease the chance of early addiction quite significantly, I think.
    I got addicted at 11 from Wikipedia, and I am really hoping that Wikipedia wouldn't be blocked for kids, as it's such an important site for information gathering. However, it took a few years until I found videos with full nudity, even though I was looking for them. If I'd do that again now, I would have it among the top results, I'm sure (I'm not going to try, and you shouldn't either). Google's safe search isn't even on by default (I really think that should be required too...).
     

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