There is not such thing as porn withdrawals, and stop blaming everything on NoFap

"X" didn't happen to me, therefore "X" isn't real.

 

Intensity of withdrawals is extremely various on the degree of habitual use, that's why eliminating causes health damage ranging mild to severe from person to person

 

That was quite a longwinded way to express a bunch of random opinions based on a whole lot of nothing. The only thing I'm wondering about is your motivation to sit there for however long it took you to type this up in order to post. Despite you claiming otherwise, are you really here to defend porn? Downplay its detrimental effects perhaps? Why do you care so much about how porn is perceived by others? What do you get out of that?

Anyway, just because I think you'll appreciate reading yet another such comment:
I'm convinced that 90% of my health issues are related to PMO and edging.

 

Agree, lefting just the porn doesn't resolve all the problems magically.

 

I won't get through all of it because I'm too tired for that but I will point out that porn release much much more dopamine than video game or fishing. And that's a key difference. It does rewire your brain to look for that specific pleasure and you get deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole to get that rush, with consequences on your whole life (like people doing findom, people looking for cp).

While I agree that people tend to blame porn for everything wrong in their life and that we sometime see a cult mentality, the harm is clearly here. Nothing good can come out of porn and for that reason it should not be watched.

 

Yes I think your brain cares about the difference. I think the pleasure derived from our biological drive to procreate cannot be compared to the pleasure we get from a hobby, which is part of what makes it so difficult to quit.

I agree with your main point I think, that in terms of the more obvious physical symptoms of withdrawal from drugs like shakes and throwing up, you're prob not going to experience that while withdrawing from porn. And yeah I'm inclined to agree that if you're feeling depressed or suicidal from quitting, there are probably some underlying issues at work. But I absolutely do believe there is a kind of withdrawal at work in the first 30 days of nofap that make it really difficult to quit.

 

But heavy porn use does alter the brain. Pornography’s Effect on the Brain: A Review of Modifications in the Prefrontal Cortex (byu.edu)

For ease of access, here is the key part of the abstract:

"Addiction research has found that long-term substance addiction contributes to changes in brain volume (Hong et al., 2013; Zhou et al., 2011). Recent studies have shown that behavioral addictions also have similar volume loss as substance abuse (Hong et al., 2013). Research has shown that the particular area most affected is the prefrontal cortex (Hong et al., 2013). The prefrontal cortex, which oversees regulating selfcontrol, decreases in size when exhibiting addictive behaviors (Hong et al., 2013). The cause of behavioral addictions like pornography addiction comes from prefrontal cortex areas such as the DLPFC, vlPFC, and vmPFC (Zhou et al., 2011). This effect on the prefrontal cortex has been shown to be particularly marked in participants with pornography addiction (Kühn & Gallinat, 2014). Pornography use has been shown to decrease the gray matter of the prefrontal cortex compared to baseline, thereby decreasing decision making. This affect to the cortices dedicated to decision making and self-control may contribute to why pornography use can be addictive."

Porn is not necessarily addictive in the same way, let's say, cocaine is addictive. It's addictive because it is unnatural to us, in the same way that a cheeseburger, combining sugar, fat, and salt, is unnatural and addictive to us - it provides a hyper-charged version of a normal chemical response that our primitive brains cannot handle properly. With that in mind, it is reasonable to assume some will experience heavy withdrawal.

 

In my first post I forgot to mention the Chaser Effect.

Humans evolved to seek out sex for the purpose of procreation. Having sex increases the desire to have more sex because the brain is literally thinking "Get while the getting's good." When you PMO, you are hijacking that healthy response and replacing it with a fake one. On some level, your brain thinks you are procreating with all the women you watch in porn, and that is partially why it is so hard to stop, you are fighting your lizard brain's natural impulse to spread your genetic material to these digital women.

 

Here's another article talking about how heavy porn consumption can lead to erectile dysfunction in otherwise healthy men.

Porn-Induced Erectile Dysfunction | Psychology Today

 

You should re-read that first sentence and apply it to the bunch of absolute garbage that is your OP.

The only way I can even try to understand where you're coming from is if what this is all about is you attacking the NoFap sub on Reddit. You know... the one full of meme enthusiasts whose spelling, grammar and punctuation are about as good as yours. The endless circle jerk that is r/nofap indeed might as well be a cult; that's where "superpowers" are discussed. No one mentions that shit on this website.

The rest of your response is simply too imbecilic to address. I wouldn't know where to start so I'll just take the highroad on this one.

I'm sure your convincing arguments have changed a lot of minds.

 

@VagabondaHugh
You have to accept that PMO is a problem.
Common! we are just 300k people only doing nofap and our lives are getting better somehow.
There are people who are married had a life had a job but they are not fool when they come here.
You think that we are being manipulated by this concept of NoFap,but no,we don't need even super powers
We just want a control.
You are right that nofap can't fix our problem that is what " Jk emezi porn reboot "said years ago.
I still have to hardwork ,even I can't type properly due to my genetic disease of hands but I know now that I had to face it rather than a porn button solution.
Common man ,it is avaliable on a click and it is first preference to depression and boredom.
You are right nofap can't replace my depression but it is increasing it too

"After fucking a screen ,you will fuck more."
And even if you are an athiest(actually quite complicated than that) like me then you will do it without a fear of hell but once you do it again and again you turn your life into hell.
See why I am here.
I almost failed my last year exam and I ejaculated and laughed after failing though year passed I m not that sick psycopath anymore but my mind knew that porn and masturbation were greatest pleasures.
I got sad porn,I got mad,porn,I got etc,porn.


(Sounding like fapper WARNING BELOW)
Dr.Fap:- I am your doctor I will prefer studying instead of porn because it is a high dopamine boost.
I also recommend weekly porn and edging so that you won't lost essential nutrients and vitamins.
Compulsive Vagabond:-Ok doctor but I just want to be healthy while I fap
Dr Fap:-Don't ejaculate just reverse you are not a cow,you are a man.
Obcessive vagabond:-Oh wow,my man powers,I m gonna fuck myself now,wohoooooo.
Dr Fap:-Cooommminggggggg!
Common
When we do 90 days ,we do a challenge,if we get successful, we get sure that things don't get out of hand.
It is a challenge and a way of improving life.
If it was in our control then why can't we even cross 5 days,means it is something!
Tell me your greatest streak ,mine is currently on 7th day with nofap.

You also didn't seem happy with @Daniel Plainview because he just gave reference to the original papers.
It is all fun and games till your grey matter becomes ordinary matter.

 

Withdrawing from an addiction can cause withdrawals, that's scientifically proven.

Thousands upon thousands of guys on nofap have reported withdrawals when trying to quit porn, do you think they're all just making it up? You say that these symptoms were already there before quitting yet in the majority of cases these symptoms then go away by themselves after a period of time clean from PMO. Some withdrawals are even physical, so unless you think porn was somehow preventing these from surfacing before quitting I'm not sure how they would fit into your theory either.

Tbh I never understand the motive for posters like you, if you don't believe in something then why go to the time and bother to make an account on here and tell people they're wrong, what's the point? You're going off on a bit of a tangent with your other posts, equating the claims of superpowers and the like with what you were originally arguing against. I also have to laugh at you starting off with "I'm neither supporting nor denying anything" before spending the next 30 minutes vehemently denying everything.

 

Yes there may be other things going on like severe mental health issues, ACE (adverse childhood experiences), trauma etc. but then again that's the case with substance use too. Focusing on 'it's not just porn', which is not the same as PMO, and PMO is also not the same as PMO in the context of a persons life with the developmental influence etc. is reductionistic and ironic considering the thrust of the argument seems to be arguing against that.

But it is problematic I think, just given how many threads are based on counting days the norm here seem to make it impossible to communicate anything more specific, even with AA and other substance recovery programs where they also track time they do get into the personal story and psychological significance, they don't have ideas like on day x this and that os supposed to happen. It effectively feels like an environment where not much meaningful ideas with any degree of depth can be shared. If enough people with more than that to contribute feels like it's a waste of time the overall quality of posts will more likely remain low.

 

"... aNd YoU FucKiNG kNow iT... "

So... am I mad or are you? I'm having trouble keeping track lol.

I personally have never had problems with women -- much less women finding me repulsive. Have you? Is that why you're here? Tough break.