Escorts...Dutch and Other Open Minded People Please Respond

Ok now. So let's say I do find a woman (I will) and I get laid (I will) and I decide now that I know I can do it, I'm not interested anymore. What then?

Keep in mind: this is all a result of lockdowns. I would have been out trying to date 2 1/2 years ago without this happening. I'd have gotten laid while my brain was still developing and shit. Now I'm unintentionally two and a half years older. Wtf?

 

Dude you speak to me like I'm an incel. I already quit pmo. I already started going to the gym. I'm already a funny, socialable guy. Society shut down for two and a half years. That is why we are here, full stop.

Fuck dude, my biggest regret in life is when my friends gf left him for me back in highschool. Voluntary celibate means voluntary. I changed my mind, went out to date again, and society shut down for years.

 

What do you mean I'll never have a normal relationship? Most people don't stay with their first sexual partner, so what's the difference?

If everyone wants to be so judgemental about doing something like this: why do they all go around fucking willy nilly? I don't see the grounds to pass judgement.

 

You know what I've decided? It doesn't matter the outcome of not getting an escort. Getting an escort means time spent avoiding courtship, time spent avoiding courtship means I don't get any better at it. Morals aside, what other people think aside, changing my situation doesn't come from escorts, it comes from re-engaging in courtship.

 

Don't worry I don't plan to again. Basically I just found out sex is overrated and I should have waited. I guess a lot of people feel like that though, huh? How many women lost it in the back seat of a car at 16 to a guy that guilted them into it? How many guys manipulated a girl into doing it with them so they could be so cool with their friends?

Tbh looking around, after having this experience, I think both men and women are full of shit. Women say they wouldn't want a guy who has been with a hooker because they assume that guy has low confidence and is a loser and had to pay, but if Chad comes by and wants to date them, they will reconsider, even if he has been with hookers. On the other hand guys are big faggots for making a big deal out of virginity. Knowing what I know now, I'd say men who like to play up their sexual past are actually in fact insecure people who need to justify their own existence through sex with women.

Actually, everyone sucks. Women are liars and men are beta faggots.

I did something stupid because there actually is no voice of sanity publicly. What we have is a public obsessed with sex which is simultaneously not having any. Look at the rates of celibacy now vs 20 years ago.

The truth is the sexual revolution was a terrible mistake. People should wait until they are with somebody they want to be serious with to do it. Then people can shut the fuck up and get on with their lives. We are really a society of immasculated faggots who need to nit pick at one another like a bunch of clucking hens. This shit is gay as fuck.

Now knowing what I know, and knowing how close I was in the past, I know I should not have cared. I was tricked. And not even in a lack of confidence way. Tbh I always figured I would find a woman. I still can. I walk around daily and see men dumber and less good looking than I am with gfs.

What happened here was as a result of all the bitching and crying of betas I got the false impression that sex was some super special experience that fundementally changes you.

You want my opinion right now? My opinion is we are mammals. It doesn't matter if a buck grows up strong but there are no does around to fuck. If he is a strong deer, can handle himself, has a good rack of antlers, and so forth, come mating season it doesn't matter if it is his first time fucking, the doe will want him over the buck who is weaker, sicker, more malnourished, and can't square off with other bucks as well.

Human men go to prison for years. Some guys end up in the mob or in gangs and do stints in prison on and off throughout their lives. They aren't experienced lovers. They spend years on end whacking off in a prison cell. But they will still go out of prison and pick up women, and have (most likely) terrible sex with them. And the women will just go along with it, because those women see those men as strong, sturdy bucks. You can say it's wrong all you like, but that's the truth.

I figure at this point my issue is that I'll be able to pick up women but one day I'm gonna find one I really like and I'm gonna admit this shit to her, and then I'll have to see what happens. Because I am frankly the sort of guy who prefers old fashioned relationships, but through porn, which I was never warned about, and religious guilt, and then a pandemic, I've been dragged away from that.

Fuck all this noise though. Women don't care who you were or what you did. They care who you are and how you are. Women take in the man whores who give it up to stick with one girl, so why not me?

 

I'll agree. Nobody should waste their money like that. And tbh it's a lifestyle you don't want to take part in. I specifically went looking for an escort that didn't seem to have any of the problems associated with prostitution in North America and, well, I didn't find that. I'll have to agree with the legalize and regulate argument though, I think a lot of people would benefit from that on both sides. Lots of women would get the help they need, lots of guys wouldn't get diseases, fewer people would get shot over money or whatever. The trade will always exist.

I'm just mad right now. Mad that I've been lied to. Mad I didn't find this out either in a hookup or in a relationship two years ago. Mad that I'm smart and built like a tank and I got to this point because of some bullshit.

The guy who I assume was her boyfriend who I seen leaving the place at around the same time I got there looked like the sort of trash nobody respects. Rightfully so too I might add. Everything there looked like a lifestyle I never wanted any part in and will not be taking part in again. After doing it I got a real sense of the sort of people (not you guys who have issues and want to solve them) who do stuff like that. Like it is inconvenient for them to go do something to get a gf. Kind of a fucked up mentality tbh for the people, especially business men, who just go get hookers.

You get the sense the society we live in is really fucked up when you go do something like that. I know from the ads I was looking at where the escorts are going to to make the most money and it is where there are a lot of "really busy business guys on business trips". Those guys pay women so they can do weird shit and don't need strings attached. The bigger more powerful people go find pimps like Epstein was so they can go literally do whatever they want to literally whoever they want, the average citizen goes around talking up how much a player he is and how much better he is than everyone else because he can get laid, and we tell children they should mutilate their bodies and destroy their endocrine systems before the age of 12.

I crossed paths with this shit because I wanted to know if sex was a big deal. It isn't.

 

I had not fully made up my mind. I came here originally to have myself convinced not to do it. I was convinced. I came so, so close to not doing it. I have no plans to go back. I do not want to watch porn to avoid prostitutes and I haven't watched porn in a long time.

I could go for some words of encouragement though. Or a success story where somebody improves past where I am.

I'll be honest, I feel robbed. Not because I lost my virginity, that really doesn't seem to matter, not that it's a secret I'll have to keep for a while, nobody understands the stress that led me to this point, but because I thought the woman I seen was the sort of woman who wants to be a hooker. Well tbh, I can't say she isn't. There wasn't a pimp there or anything. It's just that I took part in a lifestyle I didn't think was good. Maybe she like it that way, I don't know. I specifically looked for the type of worker that wasn't being coerced and wasn't in a bad situation. I don't like hurting people unnecessary. Maybe I didn't. I dunno. I tried to be nice. I honestly think she didn't expect me to want to talk or anything, just go and do it. I wanted to talk n shit. I wanted to at least have some sort of normal interaction, because that is how I am with everyone. She didn't seem to expect that. I think both of us were sort of confused by the whole situation, she was confused why I was interested in more than just fucking and I was confused why I was even there.

I think I might go pay double the money I payed for the act to some sort of fund for helping people get out of that life. I know there isn't too much of a reason to feel guilty, lots of other people who either do that or do other things in life that are no good don't feel guilty and guilt just prevents good people from being able to out-compete bad people in life but I don't like the situation I walked into.

I guess it is like porn in that way. The people behind porn, the industry, what you are ultimately supporting when you buy a subscription to something on a pornographic website, it isn't all that different.

And then ofc there are women who exploit men in their loneliness through cam girling or whatever.

Anyway, this was all unnecessary. Virginity doesn't matter. Society talks it up like a big deal but it really isn't, it's just another way for some people to say "teeheehee I'm better than you". Unfortunately I had a friend who would tell me shit like that and I believed him.