Shut out/down a girl at the gym...

This has been happening and warned about since Biblical times. Avert your glances.

 

False Power is to get laid with 1000 women.
True Power is 1000 days on Semen Retention.

Semen Retention > Sex

Semen Retention is: Preserving , Building , Creating, Strengthening, Healing
Casual Sex is: Wasting, Draining, Weakness
Baby-making is: Using the Female force and the Masculine force combined to create a New Life (Sexual Energy being used for something Good)

(Then there are other ways of having sex without ejaculation, etc, but most people don't know how to do that.)

It is obvious that losing your seed - is losing a piece of yourself. It comes at a price.

You waste it and it's gone.

When a man impregnates a woman he gives a piece of himself to her to create new life.

To consciously waste this energy by using fantasies and/or images is to turn away from your own your life-force/life, and that causes suffering as a result. You can't empty yourself of life and at the same time be full of it.

Sexual Energy is like fire. You must respect it and have it under your control. An analogy is a fireplace in a house. If you let it get out of hand you may get burned, or even burn the whole house down.
You need to add firewood to the fire otherwise it will burn out.
(Eat the right foods, exercise, transmute that energy into something creative, healthy and positive in your life.)

 

Holy crap @matibeatles , if a guy did that around a woman there’s a better than even chance she’d be disgusted, and a decent chance she’d get authorities involved. Wouldn’t be unjustified in doing so, that’s creepy. I guess that shows a couple differences between men and women. Since men tend to be bigger, stronger, and more aggressive, a guy doing that would be considered a threat. Since it was a woman directing it toward a man, though, it was just an (inappropriate) invitation. Crazy.

I think I agree with basically everything @ippo bai ippo said. Some observations are different from mine, but it’s just a slightly different interpretation based on perspective. The only reason I didn’t think the situation was 100% projection was because of the second girl. One girl stretching doesn’t mean necessarily anything. A girl has to stretch somewhere. The fact that you’re on SR and looking for validation for that lifestyle is enough to make you want to see things that don’t exist. But the second girl seemed to agree that something was going on. Now that I think of it, though, her behavior could have been a signal to the first one that she was being too obvious. There’s no way to know what was going on unless you talked about it. Another thing, ippo is 100% spot on that it’s inconsistent to expect them to be the one to start a conversation, if it’s a conversation you want. I assumed you didn’t want a conversation, since you’re on this SR thing.

And speaking for myself, I don’t hang out in this section specifically. I looked at recent posts across the forum, and thought the headline was interesting enough to read.

 

@Warrior4Freedom. I happened upon your thread and it really impacted me.
This is female nature in a nutshell!
I applaud your laser focus and your journey of retention.

 

It’s not mutual PMO. I can offer the scientific perspective, the Christian perspective, and I’m not as versed in it but a little of the Eastern perspective as well.

Stroking your own self with erotic stimulation only, or probably mainly, produces dopamine. That’s a short term pleasure neurotransmitter designed to get you to replicate whatever behavior you just engaged in. Porn and masturbation is basically a hack. Sex, however, is a much more complex activity. Skin to skin contact releases oxytocin, the bonding hormone. It’s the same hormone that bonds mothers and infants. With real sex, not the kind you see in porn where it’s transactional, manipulative usury, or movies or TV where they’re tearing off clothes in desperate, impulsive passion, but real relationship sex, there’s lots of communication. Verbal and non-verbal, eye contact, caring for one another. That helps with serotonin, a long term happiness hormone. You could write a book on the physical and chemical reactions that occur during sex that don’t with masturbation. Well, not you. Not me either, but a book could be written.

You may not buy into everything Judaism has to say, but at minimum they have an incredibly ancient tradition and access to old wisdom. Their creation myth is unique in that they claim man was made to reflect the essence of God. Man alone, however, was incomplete, insufficient to fulfill the task. God did not declare His creation complete until woman was also created. Together, as a pair, they reflect the magnificence of divinity. Judaism further says that a man leaves his father and his mother, and joins with his wife, singular, and the two “will become one flesh.” It clearly supports marriage in a pair bonded relationship, not polygamous. Further texts condemn the use of prostitutes, pleading with men not to “forsake the wife of your youth.” Prophecies draw analogies between the sexual relationship of a married couple, and the relationship between the people and their God. Sex continues to reflect the divine, a symbol of the most sacred relationship, but only in a paired bond. Jesus’ instruction further elaborates, saying it’s not just the act of adultery or rape that is sin, but lust itself, and he does indicate masturbation as well as leering at women, is sin. According to Christianity, PMO is harmful to the self and to one’s relationship with God. However, marriage is still upheld as sacred.

Some Eastern traditions also recognize the difference in spiritual impact between masturbation and real sex. The practice of karezza in particular, that is non-ejaculatory sex, is described as creating a positive spiritual feedback loop between the distinctly male and female energies. If you want to maintain your SR lifestyle and also enjoy a romantic and sexual relationship, this should be of interest to you.

Finally, I find @Brahmacharya_UK ’s comment about “female nature in a nutshell” to be narrow minded and mildly hypocritical. I assume we are all porn addicts. It wasn’t long ago that we ourselves were rewarding women for this kind of behavior. You can’t teach them this is the way to get your attention, then change your mind and expect all of culture to change with you. Porn isn’t natural at all, and the way we have conducted ourselves is not natural. It’s no surprise it’s infected women as well.

 

So now this is what's going on: as I am a Literature professor I have female students. They are all adults from 18 to 25 yo.
We talk about sexual subjects and terms, there's no big deal with it, because there's a law here and we must have this kind of discussions in class (from prophylaxis to abortion or sexual diversity). Anyway, lately they started to joke more and more, and they began to make them "bawdy" as they were hotter and they do it frequently. I mean they insist on this, althought maybe there's nothing related to it, although in literary readings there is always something to comment about sex or eroticism. They say to me in example:
"Give me a ten so my boyfriend will make love to me tonight as a prize."
"It's better in the darkness"
"Let's look for vulgar synonyms of ass"
and things like that, sometimes more direct sometimes not.
I mean, it's clear they are more confident with me, anyway I dont want to get confuse, I should not cross a line, maybe I should become more serious or respectful, even it could feel unconfrtably. But is it the power of NoFap or their attitude could feel sometimes quite agressive?

 

Oh hey, I’m a lit student. Formal studies over, but I never stop learning, I hope. Yeah, Lord Byron, Oscar Wilde, Geoffrey Chaucer, D.H. Lawrence, and if there’s not an obvious connection to sex, somebody will make one. I had a prof. tell us once that the Big Bad Wolf’s ears in Little Red Riding Hood are phallic symbols. Two penises, growing out of his head. And of course the red cloak represents her first menses. The humanities are obsessed with sex. Sometimes I think college instructors intentionally dream up ways to relate sex to their subject, so they can basically do porn at work.

You’re talking about your students, though. How long has this escalated sexual talk from the girls been going on? Are you asking if this is related to SR? How do the boys in the class react? Who are the girls looking at, directly and side eye, when they drop these statements?

There are a number of reasons they could be saying these things. Could have something to do with you. In fact it definitely does have something to do with you, they feel safe using these statements with you. Why they feel safe, though, and exactly what they are getting out of it, isn’t obvious.

 

Yes, and we were talking about Edipus. .) Last week we read it and discussed about it, now we have some activities. And next week we're talking about Sci-fi with a chapter of Black Mirror series, "All your history". That's all, there's no more time. This semester is ending, let s see what happens.
Maybe I wasnt clear enough. This group is part of a government plan for those students who want to finish their interrupted secondary studies. So the concept of a traditional class is distorted a bit. It works with small groups where the main objective is the link with state institution (school) instead of the specific knowledge of the subject (Literature). They are still formal workshops.

 

We read a lot here O. Wilde. In fact I was about to read in this class some of his children stories like "the happy prince" or "the selfish giant" (I dont know if those are the right titles in English).

As for what you ask me, these concerns were there from the first day but they grew. For example, the first day when I asked what was their motivation to go back to high school, one of them, a girl, replied: "I'm running away from my boyfriend."
The boys are quite shy. And I can't say that all the comments are directed at me, but when I left the classroom for a second, one of them said to another: "You go to the bathroom too." And they started laughing.

I don't know, as a professional I don't respond to this situation until it seems out of place or absolutely obvious, then I'll have to have a conversation to stop. Anyway, the semester ends next week.

 

Ok @matibeatles , I’m picking up this is your first semester teaching? And I’m sorry, I’m so North American it hurts, I take it this is roughly high school material (age 16-18) but you said the students themselves are 18-25? And this is a sort of experimental program, I’m assuming it’s socially progressive.

I’m not sure why running away from a boyfriend is sexual, but I’m guessing I missed some context.

Given all this information, I don’t think their sexual comments have much to do with you. Or at least, they aren’t trying to seduce you or any other men in the room.

I don’t know about Argentina for sure, but here in the States, women of this age are strongly pressured to act like this, especially in academic settings. They are taught that coarse and vulgar talk, and wearing their sexuality on their sleeve, is contradicting cultural norms and is empowering. It’s what they have to do to reverse oppressive gendered culture differences and fight the patriarchy. If they do this, they get positive reinforcement from most of their instructors and in your case, they probably see that it gets under your skin and they think it’s funny. Similarly, young men are seen as oppressors, undeserving beneficiaries of the patriarchy, and their mere presence is a physical threat. The belief is that men claim to be strong and competent, but they are really weak and have fragile egos. They are made to felt welcome only if they toe the feminist line and apologize. Therefore, your female students are going to be more aggressive and outspoken, and your males will be quiet and intimidated.

These kids are still young and impressionable. They don’t know who they are, or what they ought to be. The girls are trying on a new persona, and the boys are just trying to get through with as little trouble as possible. Hang in there. Semester’s almost over.

 

I do agree, and I understand your point. I believe that's the way it is here in Argentina BUT in academic context where we are going through those changes, and society is continually in tension, each one expressing their part. Here in Argentina there is talk of a "crack" that politically and economically divides everything: And as you can imagine, "divide and you will succeed."
Anyway, in this specific group girls are more relaxed, I mean in a mood way, cool?, and they joke constantly about everything. When I said boys are shy, I didnt explain there's only one boy, and he's the youngest person inside the group (18 y.o.). So they tend to protect him as a child, not even close to an agression.
Although there is talk of feminism, the phenomenon is not observed in the lower classes, where these educational programs are carried out. They are more traditional. In fact, I like to talk about it with my students and usually they dont agree about everything on the feminist concept, which is quite wide. In any case, we try to make women aware of their rights and they are, but always maintaining respect for the other. I mean, possibly the most radical feminism is observed in the academic environment or in the big cities. But here we can see some public acts like pissing in the church, or painting the street against patryarchy and the main palace with green, the colour of abortion. And things like that.
The important thing is not to generalize, there is a great diversity of social groups here, and they all respond to their interests and personal history.
In this kind of group there are other problems which are before feminism and we try to solve like drugs addiction, theft, parental absence, early pregnancy, and consequences of poverty, including traffic chaos as a result of poor civic education among others.

 

Thank you for sharing this, you've cultivated the ultimate form of restraint and reminded me of a valuable lesson in carrying my meditation into my day to day activities.

Social media/Youtube/TikTok has made it quite easy for men to fall prey to a thirst trap, even worse OnlyFans, which feeds off the lonely man. The sirens in the Odyssey. I do believe training meditation and semen retention is a way to combat and undo the learned behaviour. This shakes a woman of the type you mentioned, off balance.

I feel I need to share this, shortly after my 30 minute meditation session yesterday I decided to visit nofap. And by coincidence read your post, following to that I studied a bit of Marcus Aurelius's Meditation's and this is what I read, which is fully in line with what you mentioned:

"Repentance is a kind of self-reproof for having neglected something useful ; but that which is good must be something useful, and the perfect good man should look after it. But not such man would ever repent of having refused any sensual pleasure. Pleasure then, is neither good nor useful."

My understanding is as follows:

-Repent something useful that was neglected (I.e Meditation, exercise, proper diet and good sleep care)
-What is good to us is useful to us (I don't mean in a manipulative or morally wrong way)
-The perfect good man (useful to his duty/life calling) should look after what is useful, meaning hone and care for it. (I.e Honing meditation, to hone your mind and presence in your day to day activities)
-Refusing sensual pleasure does not require repentance, as any pleasure of that sort (i.e porn, mindless social media/TV) is neither good, nor useful, it does harm to us.

Bonus from another quote

-Look at the thing you desire or hold, what is it made of, what impact does it have on the world? Are all important questions.