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Shame Cycle(s)

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Such Small Hands, Jul 9, 2022.

  1. Such Small Hands

    Such Small Hands Fapstronaut

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    Not quite sure if this is the right subforum to post this, but here goes:

    Just as a preface, I understand that the best way for me to deal with my issue is long-term therapy (or some form of professional guidance counseling - I've done therapy before, which I'll go over in more detail below, so I know it's good) but seeing as that I don't have the means to do so just yet, I wanted to simply vent and seek help on a forum I once used as a safe haven and have neglected for too long.

    I have a shame problem. I don't want to overbear anyone with the life story, so I'll just state that I was raised in an emotionally volatile, conservative religious household with an emphasis on obedience at all times and punishment (oftentimes corporeal) of bad behavior - make of that what you will. I'm also severely self-conscious when it comes to my body, as I've been very overweight for the majority of my childhood/young adulthood. I've recently lost quite a bit of weight but the shame about my appearance still lingers.

    I became addicted to porn in middle school and, now in my mid-twenties, have only found moderate success with curbing its ills. [I found some measure of peace - avoiding wholesale my more toxic behaviors/searches/compulsions - for four/five months, only to relapse recently]. I've had some ups, many downs, and a brief time in therapy solved very little fundamentally: we did good work up until the point where I was unwilling to go deeper and touch upon the base issues, and so I stopped going.

    I'm sure this is a familiar tune, but I'll reiterate in a somewhat long-winded way: I hate myself, and feel shame about my urges - this leads me to nihilistically binge on PMO, cuz I'm such a filthy son of a b**** and that's exactly what I ought to be doing (or so I self-loathingly taunt myself); but the PMO act leaves me feeling shame upon shame - further exacerbating the hatred I direct towards myself, which in turn leads me back to that behavior. Rinse and repeat.

    Shame and self-loathing fuel my PMO addiction. So I need to stop with the shame and self-loathing. But I SHOULD be shameful about this sh** because it's ruining my life and making me a worse and worse person! I feel as if I have a right to loathe myself because these are the habits of a loathsome individual, no? I fear that the danger of curbing my shame is that it leads me to take this stuff less seriously.

    I'm sorry, this is way more long-winded than I'd anticipated or even forewarned, and I'm not sure if there's anything specific to latch onto here. I guess I just want advice and help on this issue because I'm tired and sick of myself and nearly at the end of my rope. I just want to sever it all from me, I don't care if it hurts.
     
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  2. happenstance

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    You're going to have to peal back the scar tissue covering the childhood wounds like pealing back the layers of an onion to get to the root wounds. You're going to have to find them, clean them, and restore a new neural path connection that is not toxic, far less dysfunctional, and takes you on a long path and journey to recovery.

    All of this has so deeply affected your self worth. So it would be good for you to seek resources to help you with that. There are some good books out there for that.

    Shame is that ball and chain that holds you hostage to it. Remember that shame is all on you. Nobody else. As we were taught, "no one can make you feel inferior unless you let them". Think about that. You are not a bad person. You're a person who's done some bad things. See the difference? We were taught that too.

    Whatever you have done, it's done. It's in the past. You're going to have to reconcile it, forgive yourself for it, and move forward. Otherwise, you'll remain stuck there, and I don't think that is where you want to be.

    Anyway I hope this helps you. Good luck.
     
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  3. That’s very good self-awareness, and very well described. Seeing how shame drives you to act out sexually, and then causes more shame (and even an addiction to doing more and more shameful things) is a key component of recognizing the addiction.
    In SAA (Sex Addicts Anonymous) they call this a “shame spiral”.
    Perhaps consider looking into that program and/or reading their basic text - the “green book”.
     
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  4. Such Small Hands

    Such Small Hands Fapstronaut

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    Thank you, it does. Disassociating my shame from myself (in a way that helps me deal with it appropriately) has been the most difficult part of this process.
     
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  5. Such Small Hands

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    Thank you. Way back in the beginning of my NoFap journey, I looked into SAA and tried (in vain) to convince myself to go. I guess I was too afraid to talk about my issues with other people, in person. Still am. But it's getting to the point where my fear is barring me from healing my soul. I think, in my area, a lot of the meetings are conducted over the phone or on Zoom, which makes me hesitant. However, it's looking more and more like the best option, and my cowardly ass just needs to shut up and deal.
     
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  6. happenstance

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    As far as SAA is concerned, think about it this way. If/when you do tell your story, it's your story to tell. All 12 step programs have a no crosstalk/no feedback policy. So you can talk without interruption or feedback. What makes it easier to talk about these things there is that the very people you talk to about it are experiencing the exact same things that you are. Additionally, you don't know them, nor they you. Sure there are differences in the details, but it's still the same nonetheless. And when you do tell your story, there is something interesting that happens. That is, it no longer has as much power over you as it did once before. I don't know how to explain it but it gets easier to tell your story after that.
     
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  7. Everyone is afraid when they go to their first meeting.
    And desperate. So desperate that the need for getting help pushes them past the fear.
    Most laugh when they look back, realizing that what they found there was a safe space. :)
     
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  8. T.Mann

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    Most psychologists will tell you shame is unhealthy and non-productive, so one of the first steps might be to explore how to tackle shame e.g. shift your perspective from 'I'm a bad person' to 'I'm someone who has done things I'm not proud or or would rather not have done, but I'm not a bad person' We all have reasons why we do what we do, and our childhood experiences and life circumstances (things outside our individual control) impact who we are. Yes, we have choices, but try to avoid beating yourself up if you can, employ some self-compassion, and try to focus on actions you can do to rectify your situation, rather than ruminating on what makes you a terrible person, which will probably leave you stuck in a hole. I know this is all easier said than done, and I have suffered from shame and toxic guilt before so I know how hard it can be to stop judging one's self harshly. What I started to appreciate is that we all make mistakes in life, and a lot of us have to live with things we're not proud of or wish we hadn't done, but that doesn't make us morally terrible people (it doesn't sound like you have caused any harm to anyone else, which is more than I can say for myself - I harmed my wife through my use of pornography and escorts, which is something I have felt deeply ashamed and upset about for a long time)
     
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