Science screwed a lot of People

In my opinion, masturbation is not wrong. The problem is when it becomes incontrollable and it takes over your life (becomes an addiction).

 

I think the keyword here is moderation. Watching highspeed porn while masterbating is very different to occasional masturbating to fantasy.

And flatlines that last 5 years? I don't believe that for a second; if they're in a flatline for that long, they must be cheating in some way – porn substitutes, edging, unhealthy habits, etc. 2 years is the longest I've ever heard. It might not even be the flatline – it could be low T or blood flow issues if it's going on past the 2 year mark.

 

I wouldn't say that science has determined that masturbation is safe or healthy. There's a lot of pseudoscience behind the sexual liberation movement that people have accepted as scientific fact without anything real to back it up.

 

Be that as it may, this Rockefeller/Freud/Kinsey pseudoscience is and has been considered to be truthful. It is the consensus between the vast majority of people throughout most Western countries that PMO is "safe and healthy (and normal)." This is nothing but lie regurgitation but it goes to show how gullible and easily convinced most populations are.

You know what they say. "Repeat a lie enough times..." And that lie will be that much more effective if it is what people want to hear.

 

To be honest, the reason why I am nowadays in deep depression, over reacting, not able to think correctly or take suitable decisions all lines up to a time when I was only 13 years old. I really suspected some unusual mental behaviour in myself and doubted if the reason for that is M, the google's 1st result was only that M is completely healthy and one should do it without any worry, this sentence made me really believe that M is not harmful and I was slowly but tightly got grabbed in the net of addiction with M. Now even if my streak goes only up to 20 days on an avg, I am really facing with the problem of M and more specifically, the depression, brain fog, not able to brainstorm in hard academic Questions and failing to talk clearly. This is the only reason I now sometime do not take science seriously and always believe that what religious moral teach is the most trust worthy and best reasoning to give and take if I have any doubt in any of my acts.

 

I have not taken "science" seriously since about a decade ago. That was when I had my own first legitimate suspicions that there is much more to PMO and that the truth was being constantly covered up. I consider this a blessing in disguise for me because I will never trust the industry of so-called science again. These days, if the "experts" say to do something, I do the opposite and I am usually much better off for it. More times than not, though, I pay them no attention whatsoever.

Relevant: Is Science Broken?

 

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Are you trying to say people can't ever recover or...?

 

Few and far between are doctors who aren't in it solely for the money nowadays. And those who influence and regulate them are in it for control of the masses. Doctors are essentially doing the dirty work of the rulers. I want no part of it. As time goes on, more and more people will start to see through their smokescreens.

 

Okay but that disregards and contradicts everyone who has recovered. Science shouldn't be disregarded.

 

Are they actual scientific studies? Or are they like Kinsey's "surveys" where he goes out to the sketchiest red light district he can find, interviews drug addicted prostitutes who claim "yeah I do X, Y and Z and I'm like totally healthy and happy, like for realz" and then claims as a "scientific" conclusion that doing X, Y and Z are totally healthy because he managed to find enough people who thought it was?

Most of those "modern scientific studies" regarding sexual wellness are based on nonsense like that.

 

I do agree pmo in the long run damage our body. I've been on nofap on and off since 2014. Any relapse from pmo make the withdrawals unbearable and each get worse and longer to recover from. I believe it's called "Kindling." It was hard to accept it at first but you gotta do what you gotta do.
However, we can't ignore other people who got healed from years of pmo. Their reboot may take 3 to 5 years harmode but they got cured regardless.

 

I don't think we need to argue specific studies or even get too much into details. The overwhelming message from health "experts" for decades now has been that masturbation is healthy, they always include the warning about too much, but the message has been clear - go ahead. Anyone on NoFap knows damn well what wanking has led them to. In the era of porn in your pocket, wanking leads to porn - porn leads to PMO - PMO leads to escalation - escalation leads to addiction. Say it in Yoda's voice and it might get through to youngsters.

The really disturbing thing to me is that this message of "go on and wank, it's healthy" is STILL being put out there in the face of porn everywhere and young men no longer able to even impregnate a female due to PIED. Sooner or later our society HAS to wake up to the dangers of porn and squash it.

Until then I only hope more and more young men wake up to the danger, but it's still so taboo to talk about, the word is spreading too slowly I'm afraid.

 

I am here because this forum provides different viewpoints, such as yours, and that makes me curious. Originally I wanted to get rid of some things I didn't want in my life, so I stopped watching porn and masturbating. I didn't know if it was gonna work, but I gave it a try. That's why I joined this site.

Regarding your opinions, with all due respect to your beliefs, it seems to me that you belittle such a big thing as "science", as a whole, when in science only proven things are published and accepted. If it's not facts, it's not even considered. But on the other hand you refer to things such as prenatal qi, spirit or vital essence, among others, which in no way are more proven than everything science (as you call it) has proven itself.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to undervalue your beliefs, everyone of us is free to believe in whatever and I completely respect that; but I don't think you have to look down on other thinking currents (much less one that only provides certified facts).