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Addictions are related to unhappiness

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by lonercub, Oct 14, 2022.

  1. lonercub

    lonercub Fapstronaut

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    I'm starting to think trying to live a selfless life is what got me ended up as a porn addict.

    What do I mean by this?

    Growing up, for some reason, I considered people that have pre-marital sex as immoral.

    I also never liked people that have multiple partners throughout their lives.

    I even felt this way as a child and even in high school and in university.

    I now realise this fanatical viewpoint is what harmed me and led me to seek relief through porn.

    Had I not viewed things like this, had someone told me, you don't need to marry the first person you make contact with, had I not had such low self-esteem and afraid to do anything wrong, perhaps I would have a girlfriend at a very young age, and this addictive pathways in my brain would never have developed.

    I did eventually have a relationship, but I think I might have entered it not due to an insane attraction that I felt to the person, but due to friendship.

    And I think, if you are the type of person that doesn't believe you can do any better, you end up in relationships that you didn't really want.

    And that brings me to the point that the partner might literally be one of the reasons why the addiction persists.

    Because for me, porn started due to being single/celibate.

    And then it continued because I wanted something else.

    So to the female members out there, I don't think it's true when you say PMO is not related to the partner. Sounds harsh but it can be related to the partner.

    I was reading an interview about Demi Moore, who turns out is an alcohol addict. She said she had stopped drinking once she found happiness with Ashton Kutcher.

    Even on these forums, I have seen people say that you need to also sort out your life for PMO to be resolved. Yet when the partner is mentioned people say it's not related. That's a contradiction.

    I guess if we are fearful of making changes, that is why we turn to PMO. It keeps things the same and we don't face our fears, nor make changes to our lives.
     
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  2. Very interesting post. I believe you are correct, that unhappiness can lead to destructive behaviors, such as masturbation. Part of overcoming an addiction is finding the underlying reason a person is drawn to that behavior. Thank you for sharing.
     
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  3. learning

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    Very true. At least for me, it seems that the unhappiness must be solved before the porn addiction can be solved.
     
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  4. almost all addictions help people escape from reality. i dont know of any addiction that grounds people solidly in the truth of life. its all just escapism.
     
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  5. holyjourney

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    i disagree to an extent with the post and replies above cause its giving a vibe that non-addicted people are not facing much unhappiness in life. This is wrong. All people whether addicted or non addicted have unhappy lives, filled with happy moments from time to time.
    Life itself will always and mostly remain boring and unhappy. The pursuit should not be entirely to look for happiness but contentment. Many would disagree with me but before passing judgement or criticism, one needs to deeply think about this point. The more you will find ways to be contented with what you have while pursuing for betterment, the more easy life will get. The more you will look for complete happiness, the more you will struggle and remain disappointed
     
  6. A healthy person who is unhappy wont feel the need to escape via a self destructive coping mechanism, a person who is unhealthy will.
     
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  7. lonercub

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    Thanks for your input. I think you kinda made my point. We tend to be not content with things when they are not what we expected nor wanted. Some people can have unusual circumstances. The people that tend to be more happy with their lives are people that actually take action and go after the things they truly want. People who settle for things experience less happiness. After years of trying to be content with life one will realise that they need to address the elephant in the room and even make drastic changes to their lives. If you are someone(like myself) who is always trying to fix their life by just reading self-help books, going to psychologists and just trying to somehow be content, somewhere down the line you will realise that you might be missing an important step. That step might actually require changing your life to be what you want it. As people on this forum, we are people that say "I am the problem". I am this type of person too. In fact, I would actually need encouragement for someone to actually say:"Stop blaming yourself for everything and constantly trying to change yourself". Sometimes life has to change for us too. Then when we are content, addictions will more easily dissipate.
     
  8. lonercub

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    That has always been the intention, to be free of PMO and make better choices. But there is a chicken and egg situation here. It's a vicious circle. The very life circumstances is giving rise for the need to escape, which results in PMO and the PMO addict might find it more difficult to make changes. Imagine like a perpetual water machine. If the the cycle/linking is broken, then the perpetual water machine would stop.

    I know what my triggers are, and some of these triggers are related to my partner. These triggers can be so strong it might feel impossible to overcome them. We are told to remove the cause of the triggers, but what if the trigger is related to an individual? Are we not suppose to do the same?

    I'm starting to feel we need to make our lives into something we don't want to escape from.
     
  9. ANewFocus

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    To some degree, we should make aspects of our lives things we don’t want to escape from.
    1) Change our perception of the world around us
    2) Change the world around us where we can
    3) Accept what we cannot change and change how we respond to it it because there will always be things we cannot change.

    If it sounds like the AA serenity prayer, it should. This is fundamental issue for all people that have an addiction that helps them escape life.
     
  10. supermanfanboy91

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    Completely agree on that one. Even if it is your own family when you see that they cause harm to you I would not be friends with them. Because at the end of the day even if a plane you have to set the oxygen mask for you first before doing it for your children otherwise you won't be able to help them.
     
  11. Meshuga

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    I think you've found a strong truth, and you're entertaining a strong lie.

    If PMO wasn't good for you in some way, you wouldn't keep wanting it. PMO is filling a need. It's not the only thing that can fill that need, and it's not the best way. It's a poisoned solution to whatever problem it is that you're addressing. If you quit P and change nothing else, your urges will keep coming back stronger and stronger, because you still have a need.
    Note when your urges are. That will help you figure out what need you have. It's typically a response to stress, the question is what kind? Is it when you feel out of control? When you feel inadequate? When you feel lonely? When you figure it out, find an alternate way to satisfy that need.

    In my case, I use(d) PMO in response to situations I found too hard, or impossible. I used it as a fantastic escape where people were happy, and had minimal conflict. I satisfy the need by thinking about what the best use of my time can be right now in the moment, and what I might be able to do in the future. If there's nothing I can do about it right now, that's okay. I'm doing my best, better than I have before, and that's what matters.

    Now for the lie.
    There's more, it's most of your post, honestly. The problem is, you're feeling sorry for yourself and blaming others.

    You're using "maybe," "had I not," "perhaps," "I think," "might," etc. You're guessing and making claims on what might have been, which is not useful for two reasons.

    #1. You don't really know what might have been. People in your circumstances have not fallen to addiction, and people outside of your circumstances have fallen to addiction.

    #2. Blaming past circumstances and other people robs you of your power to change the current situation. Even if it were true that if only this thing were different and that person was better, there's nothing you can do about it today.

    Don't get lost in guilt, whether assigning it to yourself or others. Contempt and resentment, no matter where they are addressed, are like acid on your soul; they corrode, corrupt, and destroy. Cut out the toxic beliefs, behaviors, and relationships today. Do what's right today. Pointing fingers at past beliefs or people is a trap, you'll be fighting ghosts.
     
  12. lonercub

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    Thanks for your advice.

    I would disagree the points you quoted as being lies. Maybe you're projecting yourself or most other people in the world, but my case, is quite unusual how some of the things have happened. This is why I know my personal circumstance is feeding my addiction. Literally from all the people I've known in my life, none are in this particular situation that I have. From all the people that I know, none would tolerate the things I've tolerated either.

    Even though we can't do anything about things that have happened in the past, we can make changes today. And like you said, "toxic beliefs, behaviors, and relationships" should be cut out. But we tend to hold onto people, just as we hold onto toxic beliefs, behaviors.
     
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  13. ANewFocus

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    What you endured that makes your statements true?
     
  14. ANewFocus

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    What have you endured that makes your statements true?
     
  15. Warrior275

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    I use PMO because I’m unhappy that I’m a virgin and have never had a girlfriend. When most guys my age have already had sex and have girlfriends by now.
     
  16. Meshuga

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    Not that I think you or anyone else will listen, but nothing magical happens when you lose your V card. You're the same awkward, uncertain person you were before.

    There's this notion, not entirely invented by porn I suspect, but very much supported by it, that you aren't a real "man" unless your genitals have crossed a certain threshold in another person's genitals, and it's weird. It proves nothing, it changes nothing, it means virtually nothing. Don't use this fact as ammunition against yourself. It's worth taking your time and doing for the right reasons, to build an intimate relationship with a partner, rather than rushing off to "be a man."
     
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  17. endthecycle90

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    I use PMO as a way to feel in control and as a way to regulate my emotions and cope with negative feelings.
     
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  18. Meshuga

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    And does it place us in actual control? Does it reinforce emotional resilience over the long term? Does it help us work through our negative feelings, or just kick the can down the road?

    Someone give this self-aware man a cookie, he's close to unlocking true recovery.
     
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  19. endthecycle90

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    It's all temporary. It just leaves me feeling even more like shit and makes things worse for me in the long run.
     
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  20. Deconstruct_themind

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    Yes, I applaud this! Getting to the source of issue is the fundamental way to solve this issue IMHO. (FWIW - six months no PM here).
     
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