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Wikipedia Nofap - Why so horrible?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by DTournesol, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    I'm curious about the NoFap wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoFap. Why does it describe the community and our mission with such bias and so horribly?

    Few examples:

    "The group's views and efforts to combat pornography addiction have been criticized as simplistic,[12] outdated, and incorrect by neuroscientists, psychologists, and other medical professionals"

    "The purported science behind the group's activities said to come from anti-porn activist Gary Wilson,[15] "an Oregon man with no scientific training or background, who has made a career peddling pseudoscience.""

    "According to various sources, the overwhelming majority of all websites and YouTube channels devoted to anti-masturbation and anti-porn addiction propaganda, channels, and websites supporting NoFap are owned by far-right, religious fundamentalists, and conservative who are biblical inerrantists, and also are entirely political in nature"

    They even misrepresented Paula Hall =>

    "Therapist Paula Hall for The Huffington Post was asked about NoFap claims of "physical health benefits mentioned including renewed energy, greater focus, concentration, and better sleep" and responded "there is little medical evidence for any of these changes""

    ... and more and more, which I'm not gonna quote here. The overall language of the article appears to be somewhat sarcastic too.

    As a huge fan of Wikipedia, which I consider a very trusted source of information and have used for many years, this article confuses me and enrages me.

    Any explanation?
     
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  2. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    I forgot this quote, which is the most brilliant one:

    "Another study reported a similar pattern that NoFap Reddit members also were likely to be supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump"
     
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  3. Wikipedia has been for a long time corrupted. I'm not surprised.

    The neuroscientists and pshycologists I follow all advice against pornography and masturbation.
     
  4. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    @Mr.Tony @Sir Übermensch III Could you elaborate?

    Bought or corrupted by whom? Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia. Most articles I've read - even highly technical ones - are usually of excellent quality.
     
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  5. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    I agree with you. If it wasn't for some high-profile scientists speaking publicly about it, I would question myself and everyone here, based on that wikipedia article alone.
     
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  6. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
     
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  7. I'm not an expert but many years ago ANYONE could edit any article. It was ran by the consumers. Now they block it, go try and edit that out and see that it won't let you.

    I believe they were bought.

    The ideas and institutions they lie about are not strong enough to defend themselves. And if you criticize them you are called evil...Why? Because according to Wikipedia you're defending an evil ideology.
     
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  8. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    Who - apart from the porn industry - would benefit from such propaganda?

    I'm not questioning your rationale. I'm just trying to understand. I never read something so biased in Wikipedia. And there are way more sensitive topics than this one (e.g. political topics)
     
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  9. In a world economy build round Capitalism any company or business or media, requires a founding to survive and in order to do so, it should follow exactly what the powerful party requires from it ( In our case: Porn Companies and the MindGeek... ) It's Cash Milking Machine to these lobbyists - and Since it's that way - Their interests shouldn't go against it, Wikipedia will still follow through. If you want to really understand this whenever your reading a topic and always critical think what is going and question everything, like they say the devil is in the details.
     
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  10. Evig Faith

    Evig Faith Fapstronaut

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    I know in the past, circular citations was an issue. If a secondary source cites either a primary source or another secondary source, then that citation is valid, even if that cited source is retracted. Wikipedia also has an awful habit of not archiving source material, which makes points hard to prove or disprove.

    Now, does that mean they’re corrupt or lying? Maybe. Idk. But it’s more carelessness in my opinion.
     
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  11. The population of addics is easier to control. It is not the porn industry that only benefits, it's your average politician.
     
  12. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for the clarification. This makes few things more sensible now.

    I haven't been on the site for that many years, and I haven't paid attention to the subreddit, so I haven't been aware of any right-wing or religious connotations to any of this. In fact, I believe I've seen references that this site is based on secular values. Porn addiction is not related to political or religious ideology anyway (although I do understand why people have the need to incorporate their beliefs in their recovery, as many 12-step programs do).

    I agree that NoFap is not a medically recognizable thing, but so is this addiction itself. I just felt, as you probably did, that it was way more dishonest than factual.
     
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  13. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    This is a dialectical explanation. There's nothing wrong with your logic. Do you have any evidence though?
     
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  14. tawwab1

    tawwab1 Fapstronaut

    That's inexcusable. Just another clue that many powerful players are working behind the scenes to keep the masses porn addicts.
     
  15. DTournesol

    DTournesol Fapstronaut

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    I agree. But you could apply the same logic to many phenomena, including other addictions and other mental disorders. Why create propaganda only for porn? Why constrain people from other dangerous drugs?
     
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  16. I'll answer that in private conversation.
     
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  17. WalkingForward

    WalkingForward Fapstronaut

    Many people on NoFap aren't even in the USA, I'm Swedish for example. Such nonsense...
     
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  19. I don't really have much to prove, but the world is not run by purely good people, there are wars, hunger, no human rights all over the world except the first world ( US -Europe...). And a lot of conspirasies, In short there is no smoke without a fire.
     

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