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Rewiring is bullshit.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fredrikan, Feb 8, 2023.

  1. Fredrikan

    Fredrikan Fapstronaut

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    Everything is about to be aroused with a partner, otherwise you could not have sex. So if you are in a flatline , rewiring will not help ..

    Rewiring is a myth !
     
  2. Divine By Design

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    Wat. Did I just have a stroke?
     
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  3. Fredrikan

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  4. OhWhenThe

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    I agree, I think it's mostly a myth.

    For the severe cases, those with no libido and in a long flatline, sex absolutely should not be advised. The flatline is your brain's healing phase, it's even making things easy for you by withholding sexual urges and impulses. Sex(rewiring) is not what you need at this point, all you need is time. It's like being in a coma, you don't artificially pull a person out of it to make them recover faster, that's just stupid. I think guys fall into the rewiring trap because they can't bear the thought of going months, possibly even years without sexual contact/release. It's understandable I guess but rarely does it ever seem to work. What tends to happen is the guy has sex, it pulls him out of the flatline temporarily and he thinks he's cured ... but he isn't, it's just a short rebound effect from orgasm, it's false and unsustainable.

    Even the milder cases I don't really believe in it too much but there may be some merit to it. So for a guy who is physically functioning just fine but he's got his wires crossed a bit due to overindulging in porn then rewiring might be beneficial. I still think that the time spent away from porn will do most of the work but "rewiring" may speed things up a bit - at the same time though I still think taking a temporary break entirely from all things sex is advisable.
     
  5. Fredrikan

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    Thanks , a very good text.. its very easy , you get horny or not with a girl simple.. But yeah i dont think i will be cured . 1 year now with zero PMO. Never morning wood and no progres.. How are you going ?
     
  6. OhWhenThe

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    Still flatline, slow progress.

    Stick with it man, you'll get there eventually. One year is incredible work.
     
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  7. Fredrikan

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    Morning wood ? How long have you been rebooted?
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2023
  8. OhWhenThe

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    Today is day 173 but I've been trying for like 3-4 years now, relapses send me back to day 0 or worse. I always end up binging when I relapse though so that's probably why.

    I think I'm starting to get morning wood now but I'm not entirely sure. My sleep is so messed up currently that I'm not sure if I'm waking up with an erection or I'm getting one because sexual thoughts enter my mind as soon as I'm awake. My libido is difficult to explain. It's like I have a mental libido now and I get hard from it but my penis is pretty much totally numb, it feels detached from my body. Once I do get up then it's dead for the rest of the day. The first 150 days were pretty easy bar the odd day or two but since then it's getting more difficult.
     
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  9. Fredrikan

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    Ok. Good work 173 days. I have been in this journey since 2013 sadly.. I have the same thing, mental horny but the dick is disconnected from the brain and never morning wood.. Also an urge to urinating often and sometimes some pain on the penis-tip. A burning and itchy sensation..
     
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  10. OhWhenThe

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    I think 1-2 year reboots are going to become the normal now. 10 years ago it was 90 days but people have been exposed to instant porn now for a lot longer and from a much younger age so the average timeline for recovery is going to be way higher. I don't know your journey specifically but for the more severe cases, relapses during recovery(especially when in a flatline) are an absolute killer and will extend the time needed to recover massively.
     
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  11. Fredrikan

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    Yeah i agree, thats why i never recover beacuse i relapses when i flatlined.. What i am worried of most is that i have pain and a itchy glans. That i have a damage dick besides the flatline that will not heal..
     
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  12. AnthonyAwake

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    The nofappers motto should be "Whatever it takes - freedom or death!!!!" Navy SEAL training is easier than this I think.
     
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  13. Recov

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    I think age is a big factor to recovery times. The brain is very malleable and even more so in younger people. But i still don't think the numbers 1-2 years are correct. Imo many people see quitting porn as the goal when in reality, it should just be a step in the direction of your bigger purpose. After 90 days people are still stressing about relapsing because they don't want to break the goal they've worked so hard for. This is wrong imo, why fear relapse? We are by nature sexual, so long as were mindful and understand that porn is not natural, there is no need to fear it - i.e keeping track of your days/ watching your boners. Be happy you are porn free.
     
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  14. OhWhenThe

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    I'm referring mainly to those who have gotten to the point of sexual and mental/physical dysfunction. For a guy in their 20s or 30s to have broken their sex drive then it's safe to say that they've done some significant damage to themselves somewhere. If however your only issue is the addiction itself then recovery can happen fairly quickly depending on your level of addiction and other life circumstances.

    Why do I fear relapse? Well if you were to experience what I do then you would too. A relapse literally cripples me and leaves me with months of hell to deal with. It's not just a case of "oh no, better go reset my counter!".

    As for tracking days, although I have a counter I don't actively count, when you start getting into triple digits the numbers become meaningless, 172 is 128 is 215, all I count in now is recovered or not. Erections aren't important to me by themselves and it's not like I'm having sex anytime soon but I do believe they are an important marker in terms of recovery. In my view, sexual health is a fairly accurate barometer for overall health in men.
     
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  15. DesertExplorer

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    Thanks for that. It helped me understand what the OP meant.

    Can I ask you something? During flatline, is it a common symptom to feel depressed even though everything in your life is going just fine? I am not sure what to make of myself feeling melancholic for no reason.
     
  16. OhWhenThe

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    Yeah that's normal, everything will seem a bit grey and pointless for a while. It's the brain's way of balancing itself out after all the stimulation it's been subjected to.
     
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  17. DesertExplorer

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    Thanks. I was always curious about that flatline thing as I never experienced it during long streaks in the past. But this one is different because I have absolutely zero sexual stimuli. Now I get it.
     
  18. Recov

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    Porn free yet living in fear. I get a relapse can be dreadful but it sounds like the real problem hasn't been addressed yet.
     
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  19. Man786

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    I feel so sad, 190 days PMO and Im still not getting anywhere. Been married for 7 years, sexless marriage. Feel so sorry for my wife. I wouldn't wish this on anybody. I'm nearly 35 next few months. I have had wet dreams and once morning wood but my fantasies and sexual thoughts of other women is affecting me so much. I would love to be able to be normal again and start a family.
     
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  20. DesertExplorer

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    Sorry to hear this, man. The good thing is that you understand that nofap won't solve all of your problems. It's actually great that you understand fantasizing is a big problem. The best I can offer you is that you should examine your routine and see if something greatly motivates your need to fantasize.
     

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