Can we talk about The Red Pill?

Get away while you can bro. In fact, don't subscribe to any 'pill'. Develop your own knowledge through experiences. Dating is a very personal thing, everybody has their personal truth they need to discover. There is no easy way out such as a single philosophy that will apply to you all the time.
In fact why do you even need philosophies? Go out there and take actions. Thinking is not important in dating, action taking is.
I'd suggest John Anthony Lifestyle to help you detox with the red pill stuff. Say what you want about him but the guy is a no-nonsense action taker.

 

"The Red Pill" preys on young, vulnerable, often traumatised and hurt men, especially so if they are unknowing (or knowing) porn addicts. I say this as someone who believed many of the beliefs for a number of years and thankfully was able to escape it.

Whilst it has some good advice (all very generic self help advice which could be found anywhere about believing in your own worth, focusing on yourself, staying in shape, building confidence, having goals and a purpose), it also encourages men to switch off from their feelings, treat relationships and others feelings as a game to be manipulated, and puts an over-emphasis on sex over meaninful connection. And that is without even mentioning the rampant misogny and duhumanisation of women.

If you are a young man and in particular a virgin / someone with little dating experience, it may give you very temporary hope, but it will be short lived and leave you a complete mess a few years down the line when you start to realise how much of it is compelte nonsense.

 

I think it's necessary to get educated in 'Red Pill'. It's too simplistic at this point to term the concepts that are put forth in this 'red pill' as red pill and blue pill, but there are major facts that cannot be overlooked. For example, what is said, that females are at their peak value when they are in their early 20's, and steadily 'depreciate' as they enter their 30's. How true is this? It's very true, and to be not so nice, at my place, I have seen females loose this attractiveness leverage as fast as in their 23's-24's. If you are the kind of guy who has spent his younger years in self development, in chasing money, in success, etc, it's a necessity that you get educated in the modern reality of dating and relationship that red pill presents. Having said that, you get what you can afford in this market, but it's better to prepare yourself with the right education and with the right knowledge that is relevant to the current dating realities.

 

Topics like this got my thread deleted in the past, just so u know... :/

 

So thr answer to "can we talk about it?" is a NO. Unless you want to bash it, than I guess you can.

 

Something about this thread made me think of this scene from Pi. The similar elements are it focuses on numbers, and even the market - but rather than seeing things in nature in terms of a market, he's talking about seeing the stock market as 'a natural organism.'

Also there's a huge difference between just accumulating and having a high number to measure worth or perceived worth whether that's in terms of money or whatever, and seeing the PATTERN or how things works. Seeing something yourself or coming to that original insight is not the same as someone presenting a model to you and accepting it as pretty good. Of course, having some kind of explanatory framework to get something is a very different focus than understanding the true nature of things. In the former one does not really care about how it works, just that it can work for ones own purposes which will inevitably prompt people to ignore anything that it doesn't explain. Plato's Allegory of the Cave comes to mind.

He also recognizes the operating parameters as assumptions in the beginning. The first statement both restates the premises and also is a reminder that they are assumptions.

 

I'd recommend anyone who is leaning toward Red Pill ideas listen to Mark Manson's interview on the Diary of a CEO podcast.

He's an ex PUA who talk about his experience of getting through his PUA phase and how he learnt it didn't bring fulfilness.

I think a lot of people on here who seem a bit obsessed with "dating markets" and getting laid would find it helpful in exploring whether there's a deeper root cause to this desire that they should work on instead.

 

Yes, we can talk about The Red Pill.

And it is stupid. It's inceldom. Look, I get it. I'm a lonely young guy too. I've used porn as a coping mechanism for my inability to talk with women. I'm 17 years old and still a virgin while most of my friends have loving girlfriends. I've even browsed incel forums back in the day.

Thing is, misery loves company. If you descend into inceldom then you'll just feel worse. You will get an unhealthy view on women, hate yourself and then not better yourself as a result.

Just improve yourself, alright? Workout your body, find good hobbies, keep being social and put yourself out there. What I've usually found is that women come through social interaction and not through Tinder. Usually by mutual friends and going to small parties. If you do what I say and don't extremely ugly you'll find yourself talking more and more with women.

And don't watch videos about how to talk to women. Women are people with their own personalities. Treat them like it. There is no specific guide for picking up women. Just chat with them normally. Ask them about their interests etc.

If you dislike promoscious women or "sluts" then don't date them. It's that simple. You are entitled to not want to date women that have had numerous sexual partners in the past. That's fine. I don't want to date them too. Just remember that not all women are like them.

 

If any of you really want to have a real talk about females, I'd open a topic on masculine female and feminine females. That is, considering any of you even have the skill to spot one from the other.

 

The thing with information like red pill is, most people do not have the capacity of discrimination. They are operating out of belief. What seems right, if it feels so, they invest their belief in it, and that ends up being their reality. This is where cognitive dissonance comes to play. While at one had they believe that red pill ideas are true, somebody comes along and bashes it and the person (Esp younger guys), starts leaning towards the new information as a possible fact.
Things like sales and marketing is powerful for this very reason.
I'm aware of these things, and I'm capable of filtering nonsense from facts. Now, having said that, is this 'red pill' true, and if yes, to what extent? All of you bashing it's ideas blindly would like it or not, the facts of red pill are indeed very true, and you'd be stupid to just blind ignore it.

 

Everyone has their own path to follow, as ex-PUA Mark Manson says in that interview, some men NEED to go through that path to get to the other end and question it.

It sounds like you are in that phase now and that is totally ok. But please don't say we are "bashing it's ideas blindly". I for one am bashing it as someone who for a number of years believed it, lived by it, and then came to question the principles it was preaching, whether it was actually true to my real life experiences and whether it was actually making me happy anymore. It wasn't.

But like I say, it is part of your journey, and for now believing in it may be the phsychological comfort that you need.

 

Maybe you are right, maybe I don't know shit. And I respect that you have done a critical analysis on it, and have concluded it is false, or atleast can you say, it's not entirely correct? Yeah, I would agree on that.

Havign said that, I still, I still suggest you digest this red pill blue pill, whatever it is, whoever is out there looking to level up. And don't fucking go watching videos on places like freshfit, this that nonsense on youtube. You take your information from Rational male book, and I recommend you also read Preventive medicine. Once that's done, do your own thinking, and of course, if you have the luxury of chasing chics, do so.

 

Dont take redpill as the only source, like a bible that is 100% and need to be followed. There are some really good advices/truths you wont hear and some really bad. But in general it is always good to know the rules of the game (really any game) in order to be successful in it, rather than blindly do something and hope for luck. Read other sources as well (Robert Glover and Mark Manson is also good start) from each book you read pick ideas that might be valueable and good for your life, drop those that might not be so good. TLDR Dont read just one book/author read more and do your own conclusions and mix of best ideas. That being said Preventinve medicine is a top book particularly if you want to avoid midlife crises and divorce later on.

 

Overtime I have learnt to block females that do not add value. Especially after a girl I picked up on Instagram. That's when I came one on one with the 'realities' that red pill preaches. Things like oneitis. Oneitis is real, and it happens when there is lack of options on your part, and you get hung up on one chic. It's very bad experience. I started day dreaming of romance, family, and me being driven for 'her', all that. Man it was the darkest period of my life. I came one on one with my intuition. I came to realize how intuition is not always correct. I blindly followed my feelings and got reality handed back. That girl is married now, she had always kept her options open, and I now realized I was that back up guy. I had such a hard time recovering. I lost an entire year and things I could have done during that period on healing and recovery. Once you have fallen in love, it can take years for a guy to heal completely. I will never forget that one day of all, it was couple of months after the fallout, I have termed that day the 'darkest day' of my life. I felt genuinely that I could die that day. It took me an entire year to recover from that experience. I can't forget that. To be honest, I can forget that, I can forget the whole experience. It's so important to not let myself forget any of it.

Be very cautious of who you give your feelings to. Females cannot be trusted (Not all females can be trusted). It's your job to reign supreme on your sentiments and vet the female you are associating with. Do not flow with your feelings blindly. Don't pick girls from instagram, espcially if she is running a public account, stay away from her.

 

It hasn't opened your eyes. It has caused you to view half the female population as something they're not.

 

At the end of the day, no matter who, girls want excitement and fun in their life.
Your beta dependable approach might get you husbanded, and to a good girl even, but the reality will remain, if she is
'targeted' properly, she will not deny that 'fun', especially if she finds that lacking in her Mr. Dependable.
And is there anything more exciting than a prospect of new Love!

 

Fuck yes. Fuck that pill shit.

 

Not possible. Even when you choose nothing the society will trust you blue pill into your throat by default (without even realizing it). You really cannot escape it.
Only once you spit it out (usually with help of other pill) only then you can choose really nothing or other pills or your own way/mix.