Men are romantics masquerading as pragmatists, and women are pragmatists masquerading as romantics.

I think women also have a deep love for babies, too. Like they think babies are really cute and want to hold and nurse a baby

 

Can you explain why you believe that way?

Not sure what to think about this whole idea that women prefer hotter.

So yeah, you can hit on girls generally, because punching up works.

Maybe girls are not as interested in looks as it originally makes it out to be?

And this can really have great effects on the confidence with which you approach, which I think is the most important thing.

Rather than putting hot girls, or hotter than you on a pedestal, as the manosphere would do. Better to realise that punching up works apparently. I've seen guys who really punched up and it worked for them, punched up on way hotter girls.

So maybe girls don't care as much about looks?

So yeah, you can hit on girls generally, because punching up works.

 

Men value sex

 

Just posting so I get future notifications for this thread.

BRB, gotta go make some popcorn!

 

yes. women first sum up the man, decide if he has potential THEN decide to fall in love with him BUT ONLY if he is a good prospect
and he has CONSTANTLY to be showing up her PROOF that HE LOVES HER (flowers, admiration, interest etc.)

MEN instantly FALL IN LOVE, decide in a nanosecond how wedding would look etc. and then think who the hell the girl is.

 

Pretty sure I am a romantic pragmatist (a mixture of both.)

I still long for marriage, but I have pretty much have decided to give up on dating. In this day and age it seems more trouble than it is worth.
Women are basically the gatekeepers of relationships now and I am still expected to make the moves, please someone explain to me how this stuff works.

 

There is no power difference between today and in the past. It is just a minority of situations where the “women are the gatekeepers”. The media overplays this scenario by 1000. Just go to the local grocery store and you will see this is not the case. Majority of the people are just average people living life basically exactly the same as 50 years ago. It’s amazing how much social media and the media in general can falsely color reality

 

100%. So many of the posts in the dating section (and many in the relationship section) sound like their exposure to women comes almost exclusively from porn/pornified media/YouTube videos made by other men whose exposure is almost exclusively pornish.


There are very few "grocery store women" (ie, just a normal human woman) in these descriptions. I often wonder whether some of the "were you able to settle for the uggo?" posts aren't also someone comparing porned-up airbrushed pics to just normal attractive human women and wondering if they'll be able to suffer through settling for someone not airbrushed. I have spent some time in my grief and wallowing as a betrayed spouse going back and looking for pictures from my modeling days and realizing that I don't actually look very different. Photo touchups, even 10 years ago, did amazing and horrible things. Two people could very well take a normal photo of me, compare it to the one touched up to sell cars to people with too much money, and call normal me a total uggo in comparison.
How ever would anyone have settled for the real bikini model over the touched up one? Such extreme lifelong suffering for them.

 

Yea, there is such a huge divide between what I see on electronic devices versus how life actually is outside the front door or where I live. Totally different realities… the electronic media is for sure a false reality, at least for the vast majority of people.

Also, both Republican and Democrat news stations both vilify the other group of people, I’m pretty sure to just get people to keep on coming back to watch their news station.

And yea, even here on NoFap, a false sense of reality can be felt. There are a lot of negative/hopeless posts on here… lots of sadness and depression.

and yea, as far as airbrushed, I hadn’t really thought of that much in my personal life, but yea, I’m gonna try to keep closer tabs on that sort of thing from now on.

 

Ended up owning myself this morning, I was feeling a bit brave so I told a woman who was bigger than myself that I was interested in getting to know her, she told me that she was married yet took my advance as a complement then told me that I'd find someone. Honestly more mad at myself for asking a married woman than I am about her rejecting me if I am being completely honest. But I guess that's just what happens if you live your childhood and teenage years constantly feeling shy and stupid around women that you often skip details like looking at her hands.

 

Good for you. For putting yourself out there bro!

 

Nope. Not at all.

Women can instantly fall in love with a man, but he has to be - hot.

They have to have chemistry. There is such thing as chemistry (how well you get along with each other and feel with each other, how well you "get" and can be yourself with each other, how well you can be "deep" with each other, how well you can "trust" each other, stuff like that) and compatibility (if you have the same goals, same objectives, same desires, etc). Women can go wild with chemistry even if there is 0 compatibility.

How do you think "bad boys" or "good looking boys" or "Chads" come to be? Do you think that a woman made an analysis of them? decided if he had potential? then fell in love with him? no, lol. Otherwise, if women were that rational, you wouldn't have as many cases of women in abusive relationships.

Women are far more emotional than men. It's just that that "far more emotional" is about being hot and connecting with them, getting them, stuff like that. Being trusty, sweet, lovebombing, going them through different states, sometimes hot sometimes cold, showing that you get them, showing that you trust them. Etc.

And being hot of course, getting each other and being hot.

If you think that "he has CONSTANTLY to be showing up her PROOF that HE LOVES HER (flowers, admiration, interest etc.)" you are way off the mark and there's no wonder you think what you think. Women can instantly fall in love with a man, just like men can, even with a bad woman/man as there can be chemistry with no compatibility (and people don't care). However, you are way off the mark in what would make women fall in love with a man. Which is probably why you have this conclusion. (flowers? spoiler alert: flowers are useless, in fact, not useless, flowers are stupid. She only appreciates flowers if she already likes you for the other reasons, mentioned above, she appreciate flowers from someone she likes, but flowers themselves don't do crap, and based on your mindset You have to do this, You have to do that, You have to do This, You have to do that, it's like you are begging to be a simp. No you don't. Look at Chad, do you think college Chads who sleep with 9/10 women bring flowers, admiration, interest all the time? nope, not even half the time as you think, and sometimes they may do the opposite of what you think, and it still works. Actively showing disinterest, not care, no flowers, and it works. Let that sink in before going any further with the BS about "you have to show her constant proof that you love her", lol, no you don't, you can not do that and she will still like you, I don't know what simp website you got this from but it's wrong, not only wrong but completely the opposite. In fact, that's a facepalm mindset right there. The opposite works, try the opposite. Notice the word "pull" in pick up, you "pull" them towards you, you don't "push" towards them with flowers and dumb stuff that you think works but don't, you "pull". You attract, you don't buy, you attract.)

 

yes, but this is not love. this is chemical attraction. or ''a crush''. Besides, a woman can desire a hot male but looks mean less with age,
they work mostly for young girls. a young girl will ''fall in love'' with chads, but they dont have much experience yet. Older women will be attracted to, but
fall in love only in looks? Nope. They need to much more (status, money, security etc.) from a male when they are older.

I was reffering to ''falling in love'', going ''all in'' with it. or a typical relationship with a beta male provider, not a crush on a hot chad.

the ''flowers'' I was reffering to - after he is with the person, and ''loves him'' - when a man gives them to her he ''proves that he still loves her''. she needs that.

I agree that if she isnt invested in you flowers wont do anything

overall calm down dude, you dont have to use bullying remarks toward your fellow men. show some respect or get none in return.
thanks.

btw, Im over 40 years old. I was learning he redpill/PUA stuff you mention a good 10 years ago. My experience is greater than that.