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Masturbation with retention

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Ajar, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. Ajar

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    I've seen this on some forums. It consists of the idea or masturbating until almost ejaculation but not actually ejaculating. Any idea on this? Anyone ever tried it? Benefits? Anti-Benefits?
     
  2. Ajar

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    Update: Today I lapsed. Because honestly the past couple days have been hell. I was like stuck in this prism of neither moving up nor going down due to this same ideology of semen retention without ejaculation. It was almost like hell. I was feeling depressed. But in all honestly none of this was really why I lapsed. I was doing the transmutation thing and in the process I lapsed( of course ). But when I lapsed I noticed almost nothing came out?! So then I MOed again to make sure that I wasn't going to have any issues due to such a small ejac. Still nothing ? Maybe the technique worked? I don't have a clue what's going on right now.
     
  3. PornMustDie

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    It's sad, really. That whole 'masturbating without climaxing' idea is such a shit excuse to continue masturbation. Honestly, if you ask me, it's for the weak.

    Anyway, I'm sorry that you relapsed. Hope you get back on your feet quickly! So here's the thing:

    There's something called 'kegel', it's similar to M without O [semen retention]. What you do is, you pee then stop, then pee and stop, and continue the cycle until you've emptied your bladder. This will really enhance your sexual responsiveness and prevent 'leakage' when you're an elderly.

    So if you wanna practice some sort of retention, that one's good. Masturbation without ejaculation on the other hand? Sigh. It's just slowly leading back to a life of destruction and PMO. Your choice!
     
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  4. Gladiatori

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    @PornMustDie Hmm. There is one purpose to edging. Ancient traditions in the east have often had the male lover have sex with his woman and not to climax. hmm in fact, one of the Buddist Tantras is specifically for this; sexual energy as a path to liberation. Edging may have its use, its a little grey though. Personally I don't believe in M whatsoever, but if edging is used for training for this purpose, then perhaps it could be trained in the moment of sex. Yes I think that's the way to do it.
     
  5. That's true, but the sex with a partner was specifically about balancing the male and female energies. Masturbation does no such thing, so in my opinion is not suitable for this purpose. I was guilty of using this exact thing as my excuse for keeping M and just avoiding P and O in my previous streaks. It's not a good idea, far better to have non-ejaculatory sex with a partner, or if you want to conserve and use that energy, do something like the "testicle breathing" exercise from Mantak Chia's "Taoist Secrets of Love".

    I'm sure someone posted a PDF link for that book somewhere here, I'd link it but I don't think I'm able to post links.

    Learn how to have non-ejaculatory sex if you want those benefits you've heard about (and it is intended to be with a partner that you love deeply, this is not a matter of primal urges rearing their head, this is a matter of spiritual bonding on a deeper level, if you wish to see those benefits) - don't do it with M.

    Just my 2c :)
     
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  6. Ajar

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    Thanks for your perspective guys. Yea I realized it was just an excuse to PMO lol. Did nothing. Was just depressed the whole time. Even if it works, side effects make it not worth it.
     
  7. Here is what I did, and maybe it will work for you. INSTALL a blocker (K9, etc) for P sites on your computer. Then make the password to unblock it a phrase so you will have a sane voice before you fall off the wagon. My password for my blocker is: "IsItWorthIt?"

    A small voice of reason from a sober you may help :)
     
  8. Bonus way of blocking, which is the way I use, is to simply block porn sites in your hosts file, and then have your anti-virus software block editing the hosts file. This means in order to edit the hosts file you have to open your anti-virus, go into advanced settings, enable hosts file editing, run notepad as administrator, find the hosts file, edit it.. It's such a long process that it takes several minutes so during that time you can re-evaluate what you're doing. Most resets/relapses happen as a spur of the moment kind of deal, so when it takes you 5+ minutes to even be able to unblock sites you have time to rethink and change your mind. :)
     
  9. Porkins

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    This used to be my favorite game to lose.
     
  10. LOL. Yeah, that works too :p
     
  11. Richross3

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    I'm at the end of my first week and I have done the retention thing 2 times without ejaculating. I like how it feels however I want to keep all my nutrients etc. is this bad to continue this way?
     
  12. recoome

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    Even I used to do this earlier and it eventually led to a relapse. I don't think masturbation without ejaculation is healthy. I mean your mind is still getting the dopamine. It's like eating cake and then puking it. Then eating another cake only to enhance the taste buds and then puking it out again.
     
  13. Richross3

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    I think your right, it's just this little guy is leaking so much pre cum I've been wearing two pair of underwear to prevent it from showing through my pants. I was masturbating 3 times a day for years. I thought the milking would help me release some precum too. Idk
     
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  14. recoome

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    Maybe wear dark colored pants.
     
  15. Richross3

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    I guess I will get some dark pants for the gym.
     
  16. Gladiatori

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    @JesusGreen Definitely the purpose of this in Tantra is advanced, after meditation way to merge the one with the whole. Tantric SEX Buddhism is to liberate yourself through sex. Yes in tantra you weave the dualistic energies is a natural product of regular sex, and its like the two parts to become whole, finally and then to merge briefly with the divine one-ness.

    There is old tale of a Tibetan monk, who was a ladies man. Usually they don't want people to indulge into pleasure. Lust is the ally of death. However, this guy was so far from the norm he had babies with tons and tons of the village ladies. LOng story short here. He threw a baby to the ground and it was caught by the goddess of love. Then the ladies who faked it was their baby ran away.

    The point of this story is that he used sex as a path to -Moksha-(liberation). And that sex can be very good, and liberating, as well as creative.

    U also don't have to do this at all, the point is that edging was done by tons of ancients because they conserve their vitality.

    Don't bat my words away like I don't know what I am saying. There are many many many diff YOGA DHARMA. Not just your singular oculus narrow view. So dont say "but it was for this not that...." Spirituality is way way way to MUCH STUFF to be a single official doctrine. This is why NEO-Hatha-Yoga Fools think they know something about Spirituality.

    See this Pictire? It's LORD AGNI. I have it for a reason.
     
  17. Ajar

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    I don't think I can keep mixing Buddhist tantra with Hindu Tantra. In the scriptures it says that a breach in Brahmacharya is equal to that of death. Yet I was doing something that required me to breach the statues of Brahmacharya.
     
  18. Gladiatori

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    Hindu is generally more conservative. Buddhists eat meat, etc. (because Tibet is too cold) It's all the same tree though. Myself I am into the hindu dharma, doing hatha yoga, jnana yoga mostly. I had a teacher before, but I cant find a Guru where I live.. Well someday I hope.

    Hindu brahmacarya(right use of vital energy/highest use!)is that you never waste vital fluid, do not allow yourself to lust, but Having sex with your wife is fine. Brahmacarya is initiate stage of a YOgin/yogini(like 13+) where we learn control of sex drive. When married is stage 2, once discipline of brahmacarya is done, then you have earned the right for having sex with your woman because you have control of the lust. For me life energy is very precious. It's the same as u said "breach bramacara is equal to that of death" The hindu ones say just diff words "Lust is ally of death, for the ascetic". The highest/best use of vital energy has helped me very much. I am able to transmute this sex energy to anything I desire now. It is extremely powerful. =)
     

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