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Should porn be outlawed

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Ultra Zork, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. Ultra Zork

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    Who here thinks porn should be taken down off the Internet?
     
  2. Donquixote Doflamingo

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    People will just a find a way to illegally share it with each other, if there is an addict there is a supplier
     
  3. RawheadRex

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    As Jello Biafra said, wherever you create a prohibition, you create an underground.
     
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  4. ^^ This. As someone who used to have a drug problem I can honestly say the black market actually made it *easier* for me to get those drugs and made me more interested in them because of their taboo nature. Prohibiting things only makes them more desirable.

    Instead we should focus on education. I know when I was at school in sex education class they told us about how masturbation is healthy and something everyone does fairly regularly. They never even once mentioned that there could be downsides to doing it too frequently. In fact they made it sound more like one of your 5 a day, something that you SHOULD be doing if you wanted to be healthy. I don't think schools should be like "Don't ever fap" or anything, that'd have the same effect as trying to prohibit it - but instead they should give a more unbiased view of the pros and cons, and show how it's best enjoyed in moderation/rarely if at all, and can become an addiction just like anything else when done too frequently.

    That's the most important time for it too, in school. Since too frequent orgasm is messing with your androgen receptors and testosterone, the WORST time you could have a PMO problem is when you're a teenager going through puberty (for guys at least) - since you want as much of that testosterone as you can get, and you're benefiting from it in ways that after you reach adulthood will no longer be the case. Unfortunately the way things currently are it's pretty much the time of most peoples life when they PMO the most of all.
     
  5. I don't. That would be taking away rights to freedom. Everybody should have freedom of choice to consume whatever they want, as long as they are not harming anybody else by ding so. Or harm themselves, which not everybody does, only those who are addicted. Also, I don't necessarily think porn itself is bad. It's addiction what is bad and ruining people lives, not porn. There are many people who are eating themselves to death, addicted to watching too much TV that it is ruining their lives, having sex addiction, etc. But we don't make those things illegal. There is nothing wrong with making love with your loved one. Or eating, we need that to survive. Or watching some TV. There is people who watch porn once in a while for fun and they are still having perfectly fine relationships and mentality. Just like there are people who ate food and don't get obese and unhealthy from it by overdoing it. Don't blame the industry. It's not it's fault. It is our own fault for letting ourselves to go down that tube. Education about the potential dangers of it would be great tho.
     
  6. Ultra Zork

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    True
     
  7. Ultra Zork

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    at least people who don't think porn is bad might think otherwise.
    If drugs weren't illegal why would you think they are bad
     
  8. Maybe. There are a lot of people that can not formulate their own opinions unless somebody tells them WHAT to think. Government says it's true/false/right/wrong/safe/dangerous/etc so must be a fact...

    I personally don't think drugs are bad. All drugs are not created equal, some might kill you from one time use and some will not harm you if you would use them for years responsibly. Assuming one would not overdose or get addicted and let their body enough time to recuperate before repeated use, as well as not have heath problems that would predispose them, such as weak heart. And at the same time there is simple non-prescription drug called aspirin what can easy kill you if overdosed. Why do government trusts people to not kill themselves with THAT, or kitchen knives, but not with drugs? How alcohol is safer than weed? How is meth less safe than many of those shrooms what are legal in same places where meth isn't? A lot of laws in the world does not make any sense...

    I'm all for legalizing most of drugs for personal use. And controlling them. Handling them out with prescription from a doctor as well as giving customer educated guidance on how to use them safely. Tax them and everything. Would decrease illegal drugs on streets. Would save a lot of lives by educating people on proper use and safety when prescribing them. What's up with all those fear based laws. People have their own brain in head. Why can't we just educate them and trust them to make right judgments? I don't need government to take responsibility for me. All those tax dollars what are used on enforcing all those laws. While illegal drug business is still flourishing hard. All that money would be better used in EDUCATING people on dangers of those substances and how to use them safely if they choose to, as well as provide guidance by a doctor. It would give way better results for less resources spent.

    My opinion might be quite radical. I'm aware of it. I don't know. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Maybe people are dumb sheep without much brain and need to be told how to live their life. Maybe we can't trust on their own judgement. I do't really believe that. Look at all the places where prostitution or drugs ARE legal. They are doing quite fine. In fact their crime, death, health damage risks are statistically way lover than places what has restrictive laws.
     
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  9. Veritech

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    Porn is speech. It will be protected by the First Amendment.

    A State can try to outlaw porn, but the Supreme Court will use its authority of the ultimate protector of the Constitution to strike down any such law (similar to how it struck down laws prohibiting gay marriage).

    However, California recently passed a law requiring male porn actors to wear condoms. The State believes it is a health issue and not an attempt to restrict free speech. This has had a negative impact on the porn industry both financially and locale. Most porn watchers fantasize and a condom ruins the fantasy.
     
  10. Harvhe

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    Without meaning to trigger anyone, with this kind of out-dated exchange across small businesses potentially as a fallout of outlawing it, just as people here have rightly said, it would go underground and the industry would just become more secretive and lucrative for people paying over the odds, since the demand wont ever dry up or people stop buying despite the consequences to feed their addictions.
     
  11. I respect your opinion. However, porn is not only affecting the viewers, but the sex workers too. When you use porn, you support the industry. When you support the industry, you support sex trafficking, various types of abuse and more. A former porn actress actually revealed many things about the porn industry. Here's the link: https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/...worst-darkest-thing-ive-ever-been-involved-in
     
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  12. Ikindaknew

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    I don't think porn can be outlawed.

    But I think that the educational and medical world should come out with better programs to promote awareness.

    @ekoluomu , I share your view. Reading these stories make me sad that I fell for it. I'm using these stories to re-enforce my will to permanently see porn as a go-to coping mechanism.
     
  13. I personally don't give a crap about censorship, but I think I agree with @Donquixote Doflamingo @RawheadRex and @JesusGreen on this one. I don't think it would get rid of the problem, and it would probably just make things worse in some ways.

    There's a great TedTalk that kind of led me to see the truth in that:


    However, for the sake of kids, I do think it's a shame this stuff is SOOO easily accessible. I know adding an age limit usually just causes people to lie about their age, but at the same time, if you had to take the extra step to actually sign up for a site before you could watch porn, with an email address, that would probably deter some younger people who don't want their parents to find out. However, obviously this is all hypothetical, because there's no way they could regulate that on every platform. Porn is just everywhere. Even if they made it illegal, law enforcement doesn't have the time or resources (and they're already using a lot of that time and resources for stupid crap rather than the stuff that's actually important) to sit around shutting down porn sites all day long.

    Also, given the rebellious nature of, well, all human beings, especially Americans, I feel like people would just get in a huge outrage against the "censorship" and it would probably make porn into something even bigger than it already is. People would protest the new laws, it would be all over the news, and most people would probably side in favor of keeping porn around, which would just get everyone more interested in the topic. That might lead to a few people realizing the dangers, but with the lack of respect for our government these days, particularly law enforcement, I can't imagine many people would naturally gravitate toward their side of the coin.

    In an ideal world... porn wouldn't exist. There's absolutely no reason for porn to exist. It destroys everything in its path, and it's harmful to everyone involved, as @ekoluomu said. But unfortunately, we live in reality, and I don't think banning porn would work out well in our reality.
     
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  14. I'm aware of all that. And I do not support THAT side of things, I support the sane side of things. You choose to not make a distinction between bad actions that are taking part IN that industry and industry as a whole. If you go by the same logic why are you wearing sports shoes? Nike is known for abusing worker's rights. Why are you support shoe making industry (I assume you do anyways, you might not and hire a private cobbler to hand craft you shoes from materials you choose, and pay, treat him accordingly and ethically for what I know, but I assume you buy your shoes at store like everybody else)? Because you realize that whole industry is not bad, there are plenty of shoe manufacturers that are doing their business ethically. I advocate the same for porn. For people to do research on where the content they are consuming is coming from and then make their best judgement basing on what they know. Yea, we don't do that often enough. But then again it's like that with everything. A lot of people do not bother to find out how ethically their closing or food is made either. They just visit store and buy stuff without thinking much of it. We could use some more of this awareness. But finding half of the apples in basket rotten and then discarding the whole basket because of it, including all the fresh apples. That kind of thinking is just not my cup of tea. I respect your opinion too however.
     
  15. Veritech

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    The problem with any "outlawing" of anything is that it will always lead to what is known as a "slippery slope".

    After we outlaw pornography, what next?

    How about outlawing cheeseburgers? They are bad for you.

    What about outlawing motorcycles? They are dangerous.

    As a free society, we must be as free as possible to choose what we wish to consume or not to consume. We are also free to educate people in an attempt to convince them to make better choices, but the ultimate choice rests with the individual him/herself.

    We also cannot always fear underground economies either. We have outlawed child pornography and heroin for very valid reasons.
     
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  16. Ikindaknew

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    I respect your opinion too here and you being good points. But Nike will more than likely have to adapt once the thruth comes to light.
    Porn will always have underground ties if banned somehow.
    On a more humorous side now:
    Do you think some "ethical porn" could come up? Picture that! Hey, my girls are getting paid fairly, multi-orgasm for real and when we put them on the lie detector, their claims of "i like anal" are always genuinely true? Our girls are all physically and psychologically sound, they truly hope to help you increase your pleasure at home with your wife and think its healthy to watch the menu for exotic tastes?

    I don't think porn can come out clean. Playboy lost it's market because of the free hardcore porn.
    The old days VHS and DVD porn is only qualifying as P-subs nowadays (or almost).

    The unlimited porn genres proposed nowadays are catering to so many unsuspected weird fetishes and some very dark ones. The poor girls that have to perform in these settings more than likely realize that it's ridiculous and degrading.

    Stuff that was legally banned from TV before is out there without any restraints.......
     
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  17. Ultra Zork

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    I only watched it (my 1st time) for curiosity.
    If it were illegal I would've been too afraid to watch it
     
  18. Physicist

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    Education is more important. That will wipe out the porn industry more than anything.
     
  19. This reminded me of an interesting point...

    I still feel like making all porn illegal would not be effective and would be a waste of department resources, but currently, at least in many states (I'm not sure if it is in all of them), possession and distribution of child pornography is already illegal. Personally I can't imagine ever having a desire to watch child pornography, but honestly, even in my darkest of moments, I've hesitated to click on anything that has the word "teen" in it, because it really has made me stop and think for a second. It does make me think "what if the police are monitoring that? How on earth would I explain to my family that I went to jail for possession of child porn?"

    So, at least for me, that's a pretty direct example that laws against porn actually have made a difference.

    Unfortunately, though, even that law that's already in place is not being monitored well, because it's incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to do so.
     

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