Nofap is God's Cruel Joke

My POM behavior almost led me to suicide, and I agree ejaculation multiplies the effect of that dopamine chain as causes guilt depression etc.

But not in normal real sex with girl. Sex gives you relaxation, boost of hormones and so on.

You can just find a girl.
You can't? I can't yet. Why? Maybe unsolved problems in life. Maybe porn cravings, brain fog?

I get irritated by this too, but it's only my fault that I'm a loser who can't get laid all the time. I need to get my life to order.
I also feel that it is unfair. But I think if I had success, good body and money, and much of girls attention I would have even no desire an time to blame God in some illusions I have.

 

The title of this thread is a joke bro.

I mean, really?

Unrelated joke since we're on the topic of jokes, and by the way take a deep breath, you're alive and probably not homeless and starving, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER KID AND QUIT WHINING:

 

Btw, celibacy is the fuckin shit yo:

 

It takes hard work and perseverance Johnny boy, we'll all make it there if we set our minds to it!

Check it out:

 

Btw, what you are talking about has to do with prenatal jing, the essence one is born with at birth. Those who you think are able to ejaculate without the negative side effects many face may have been born with a much stronger level of prenatal essence. There is still a toll taken and the after effects are the same. Some people seem to be able find a sexual partner and jerk themselves into a coma while doing so, but you can't see what's going on inside them nor is NoFap a mere sexual conquest. I'll leave it to someone who feels me to explain more if they care.

Lots of info on orgasms here: http://www.reuniting.info/science

An article from there,

Orgasm's Hidden Cycle

You're finished...but your brain has just begun.

Orgasm feels great, and if climax were the end of the story, partners would project the good feelings generated in the bedroom onto one another—and effortlessly dote on each other forever. Few do.

One challenge is that orgasm—especially that "I'm definitely done!" feeling after sex—isn't an isolated event. It's the beginning of a much longer cycle, which often includes subconscious neurochemical signals of discontent that tarnish lovers' perceptions of each other. Consider this verse from the ancient Greek Anthology, which long ago captured the essence of theCoolidge Effect:

Once plighted, no men would go whoring,
They'd stay with the one they adore,
If women were half as alluring
After the act as before!

If you are familiar with the work of Masters & Johnson, you probably think of the "cycle of orgasm" as a brief series of observable genital events: arousal, plateau, climax and refractory period. The experience of orgasm, however, is produced in a primitive part of the brain. Without these neurochemical fireworks, the Big "O" wouldn't feel like an orgasm regardless of what happens in your genitals.

But assuming you're not trying to patent the next billion-dollar sexual enhancement drug, why do you care about the neurochemical aspects of orgasm? Here are two reasons:

1. Neurochemical events can have powerful effects on your behavior, mood and perceptions without your awareness. You probably don't think of sexual arousal as correlating with rising dopamine, or orgasm as equating with surges of endorphins, adrenaline and so forth. Chances are you also don't think of your feelings over the days after orgasm as being linked to a cascade of neurochemical events (fluctuating dopamine and prolactin levels, testosterone receptor declines, etc.).

2. There is growing evidence (details in The Passion Cycle) that this complex neurochemical sequence after orgasm is much longer than the physical events after climax. It may even continue for up to two weeks after you roll over and snore, or look around for more. During this slow, somewhat erratic, return to neurochemical homeostasis after orgasm, it's not unusual to experience intermittent sensations of lack, neediness, irritability, intense horniness and so forth. Most people climax again before the brain brings itself back to homeostasis. Interestingly, evidence suggests that the more thoroughly you sexually satiate yourself—that is, the more intense or numerous your orgasms—the more acute the overall effects on your outlook. For example, it has been observed that the more orgasms women have over a 30-day period, the more unattractive they perceive pictures of unknown men.

The point is that orgasm may innocently be influencing your subsequent moods, cravings, choices, and perceptions—and for longer than you would imagine possible. This hidden cycle and the subtle feelings it brings up are likely to be a factor in the Coolidge Effect. Scientists already know that, after sex, dropping dopamine (the signal for "less rewarding") plays a role in habituation between mates, just a spike of dopamine ("rewarding!") plays a role in the neurochemically induced attraction to novel partners.

Another consequence of the hidden phase of orgasm is the risk of getting caught up in an escalating cycle of seeking more and more intense sexual stimulation to "medicate" the lows in the sequence. But even if you elude this risk (lots of daily affection helps, for example), this hidden cycle may produce ripples in the harmony of your relationship.



Let's say your neurochemistry hasn't yet bounced back to equilibrium after the great sex you had on the weekend. Because it's normal to project your subconscious mating-induced feelings onto your mate, you may be convinced that you would feel just fine if only your mate would, for example, show some appreciation for all you do, engage in more of your preferred foreplay, or simply put the dang cap on the toothpaste tube. Or you might find the thought of a novel partner (even a two-dimensional one) unusually enticing. As these feelings recur week after week, you may even wonder if you should have married that other person. You know, the one who realizedhow wonderful you are.

Why would our perception shift for the worse as we satiate ourselves sexually? To make sure we don't go extinct. Inclinations that tend to pass on more genes are conserved. Maybe annoyance in our love lives, with fooling around on the side, or serial romances are ideal scenarios for our genes, whatever they cost us and our families. (Remember, we evolved in tribes, where romantic turnover would have been less harmful to kids.)

Instead of moving to a novel mate, many of us cope with this programmed restlessness in other ways. When your dopamine is low (as it can be from time to time during the post-orgasm cycle), you may feel like...well...like something is missing, even if you can't put your finger on what it is. Perhaps you console yourself with some self-indulgent spending, too many drinks with pals, or a carton of Häagen-Dazs. Such things automatically reward you with brief surges of dopamine. They are especially seductive when you're feeling flat for reasons you can't fathom.

It's rare for people to see the truth of this underlying cycle's influence on their lives until they experiment. However, couples can usually spot its effects after the high-dopamine honeymoon "booster shot" wears off. To do so, they make love for several weeks using a technique like karezza (lots of bonding behaviors without sexual satiation), and then go back to conventional sex with orgasm. During the first part of the experiment they often grow more sensitive to playful affection, snuggling or gentle intercourse. When we experimented, my husband remarked, "Our kissing reminds me of my first teenage kisses."

Eight years later, he interprets those same feelings as "I haven't fertilized you yet, so my limbic system is still enchanted." No fertilization attempt; no Coolidge Effect. And I continue to look cute (at least to him).

After orgasm, however, there tends to be a subtle shift. Here's what one husband observed (who had assured me he experiences no fallout after orgasm):

Things have been good between my wife and me recently (lots of bonding behaviors and increased closeness), but about 12 hours after a night of great lovemaking, I'm feeling really needy around sex. I HATE that feeling. It is so energy depleting, worse than being sick. Only later did I realize, "Okay, THAT'S what this neurochemical cycle does."

It makes a ton of difference to know what's really going on. I can totally see how this feeling would affect a relationship, particularly if one person felt it while the other didn't, or if they felt it at different times. The touch of a needy person is so different, and quite possibly the opposite of sexy for their partner, and it's so hard NOT to project the feelings onto your partner. "Why doesn't she want to meet my needs?"

The truth is that no partner can fully meet a need that is born of a neurochemical low. No wonder it sometimes seems that we just can't please our mate no matter how hard we try, how much Viaga we invest in, or how many orgasms we deliver.



Every recovery cycle is unique, which is one reason couples' sex drives may go out of sync. Often, men roll over and snore—and then over the days following experience some irritability or brain fog (forgetting to take out the trash, perhaps), and feel unusually horny. But orgasm catches up with women, too. Said one woman, "After three orgasms last night, in which my man was delighted to be affirmed of his stamina, I feel grumpy, guarded, and as snappy as an alligator." Personally, I notice (or, at least my husband notices) more mood swings in my second week, when I tend to become judgmental and sharp of tongue.

Despite the glories of orgasm, and the many benefits of close, affectionate contact during intercourse, this hidden cycle after orgasm can evoke surprisingly powerful mood changes, which lovers haven't been connecting with the Big "O." That may be changing. Not long ago, psychiatrist Richard Friedman demonstrated that neurochemicals kicked in by orgasm, are apparently behind the depression and irritability of some patients, even those with no sexual hang-ups. When he gave SSRIs to suppress the intensity of his patients' sexual response, their symptoms promptly disappeared (even before the drugs would have influenced emotional disorders).

Could more subtle versions of these neurochemical effects be at work in the rest of us, clouding the sunny skies of our romances? Perhaps striving for balance in our sex lives by adding to our lovemaking repertoire is more beneficial than we've realized.

So, what's going on between our ears after climax? Although scientists haven't been looking for this "passion cycle" directly, researchers questing after the next lucrative sexual enhancement drug have turned up evidence of it. In a future post, I'll share what little is known.

Also of possible interest:

2015 study found half of women have experienced post-coital blues.



Men: Does Frequent Ejaculation Cause A Hangover?

Women: Does Orgasm Give You A Hangover?

More on why the healthcare profession has been so far behind the curve with respect to human sexuality

And for science buffs: Growing evidence of a lingering post-orgasm cycle (links to studies)

• Cupid's Poisoned Arrow Topics

• Article by Marnia Robinson and Gary Wilson

 

I like how you said were allergic, because we are! Realise well never EVER have the ability to watch porn again without suffering. NEVER. your Brain will NEVER heal enough to be okay to watch porn like you've never seen it.

BUT what will happen is that your brain will rebalance by itself, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Those brain receptors that were fired when watching stimulating porn will be fired when doing menial tasks, eventuakkybtjis will happen. Its like you've carved a cavity and it can fill with water, the water can be porn or it can be daily activities. The difference is that the porn fills its fast, but the daily activity fills it drip by drip.

 

FYI, NoFap was founded by an atheist.

Good discussion here, I have no need to add anything more to what has been said already.

 

Dude, for as long as you stay this negative, you will never be happy. Forget nofap, sex, whatever it is. CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE!!!

 

Not sure why you are blaming God for your addiction unless you are Calvinistic? and believe in a false doctrine that God predestines people to be evil and do evil things. Many Calvinistic Christians have the same pessimistic attitude and worldview and I hope that they havent influenced you? The devil does a great job disguising himself.

On the other hand, the catholic worldview is that our sexuality is a gift and has a purpose. (yes, of course procreation and pair bonding.) but our sexuality and erotic desires point to something even greater. what we truly desire at our core(and what we are destined/chosen for) is to participate in that eternal exchange of love and ecstasy found in the Holy Trinity. The union of man and woman in one flesh is an icon of that divine reality that we will all have one day with God. God stamped into our bodies his unmistakable plan for us by creating male & female. The devil, since he does not have his own clay, has to corrupt God's good clay.What P and PMO does is it diabolically twists the finite icon and re-aims our desire from the infinite to the finite. How sad when we take this infinite desire we all have for union with God and apply it to a bunch of pixels on screen?What happens when you take an infinite desire and apply it to a finite object?....you get addiction. You try more and more "forms" of this twisted object i.e., you PMO to it, MO to it, get a prostitute, experiment, one night stands...your are left wanting more of it and then become frustrated that you are not ultimately satisfied.

To blame God for you addiction is just as silly as to blame God for the evil outcome of someone being heated up in the moment during road rage and killing his adversary . You have authority over your emotions/desires and can "will" the direction of the outcome.

 

So you are saying ejaculation is not bad but watching pornography is and we become animals when we do theses things and masturbation without marriage is shameful until we get married is when it's ok

 

No one may record superpowers from abstaining from porn, but what does porn do to us hormonally? It revs up the dopamine cycle, which feeds the addiction, and then what do we do? We masturbate and orgasm.

 

Only superheroes have superpowers so why would not watching pornography or masturbating give us superpowers it won't becuase that's fantasy

 

I think everyone is affected in some way.
Maybe the way we see ourselfes is diferent of what others see.
Example:i have a friend that pmo many times a day,and its still energic,and still Chase girls.
But when i give a closer look,he looks aways distant,and he has trouble talking about anything more complex.now imagine How numb And painfully disconnected he is felling fight now!

Another friend i have pmo,is smart,reads lots of books,but don't have the social skills to Go out And Meet New people.
Now How painfull THAT is!

The point is,we arent the special case nor the choosen ones,the very single thing that makes us special is the choise we,And only we,made.
Hope I helped in some way

 

Sounds like an interesting spin on the old Addict Voice. Is jerking off that wonderful? So incredibly euphoric and phenomenal that we can't write it off?

MOing is like shooting a pellet gun. A real orgasm is like a fucking howitzer. Give me the howitzer any day and you can have the pellet gun.

 

In that case I'd better be careful. Because PMO for me can get pretty intense. Not sure I could handle much more.
- Ozatm