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What is pornography?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by benignintenz, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. benignintenz

    benignintenz Fapstronaut

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    Asking seriously -- obviously I know very well what I used to use for P, but was sitting here, staring at netflix catching myself looking for min-series or movies with Tudors like nudity and/or sex -- whats the diff between that and P?
     
  2. montague415

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    Great topic. I need to reflect on your question.

    Especially while in recovery and even after, I must work on avoiding all stimuli that provoke a mere sexual pleasure response. Those are problematic and lead to relapse.

    But actual pornography is easier to identify. Especially internet pornography. Frequent exposure to the vast amount of sexually provocative stimuli available online damages the brain, the psyche, and possibly the soul.

    Luckily, brain has a very high level of plasticity. For example, if we lose our sight, the visual processing portions of brain will convert to aural processing and assist us in improved hearing. So too then, if we bombard our neurons with sexual stimuli, the plasticity of cortex is vast enough to be able to recover.

    It just takes time. According to one doctor, if a person is young it takes longer for brain to recover because the brain is in its earlier formative stages. Older people recover more quickly, maybe taking half the time. That's good news for people who believe the false adage; "An old dog can't learn new tricks."

    Anyway. Others will discuss.
     
  3. benignintenz

    benignintenz Fapstronaut

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    It is a fascinating observation that older folks recover more quickly. I think it is linked to what age one is when one is exposed to the high volume porn delivered by the internet. When I was much younger, there was no internet porn, and I escaped my teens pretty much unscathed. For younger folks, they have had exposure during the period where the brain is laying the groundwork for weak and strong connections and associations. When they decide to fix the issue they are starting from a deeper hole.
     
  4. Hi there,

    I think, for me, the short answer would be if you're looking at digital images of naked people in order to get off that would be close enough to P to stimulate those same centres in the brain which we are trying to rewire.

    I was shopping online for socks yesterday and found my eyes lingering on the underwear ads. It's like the Sears catalogue years all over again!
     
  5. ccc1st

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    I am going to agree with Montague and say that during the recovery process any visual stimuli (aside from real women in person) could/should be considered porn. I am 21 and was addicted to porn for about 8 years and started watching at around 8 years old. I am on day 40 and realizing that e recovery process for someone like me isn't the quick fix i wanted it to be... But I am feeling now the longevity of the process will be 120% worth it, and my patience has been renewed.
     
  6. One Day at a Time

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    I posted earlier today that, the other night, I was watching a James Bond movie and the Bond Girl had a negligee on and her nipples were showing through and I instinctively turned away and didn't even realize it until after I did it. I just didn't want to put myself in the situation of getting aroused by a scene in a movie until I'm farther along in my Rebooting - it's only 28 days for me and I'm doing great - don't want to screw with that.

    Especially, as you say if you're searching and "catching myself looking for min-series or movies with Tudors like nudity and/or sex"....If it arouses you, it counts as a bad thing if you're trying to stop porn.

    Porn can be anything that you use to get aroused - girls in swimsuits...yes - girls on the Olympic volleyball court...yes - bra ads in the Sunday newspaper flyers...yes. It's up to you how you handle it.

    Good luck staying ahead of it and AWAY from it!
     
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  7. Ikindaknew

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    P is straight out sexual content where the overall focus is the "explicit" sex. Whether its a novel, a magazine, a video, movie, etc...Magz and movies are tagged 18 yo+ to access/purchase, etc..

    BUT, because human's matting program is strong, nudity and sexuality are used by filmakers to "keep the interest up"...so all the popular shows of the moment are trying to show some sex to keep the men interested, so they can watch TV with their BF or wife without jumping on the computer.

    For the same reasons, SOME waitresses seeking extra tips are adjusting their work dress accordingly.

    also, everything that triggers you shall be seen by yourself as P-sub (porn substitute). You choice whether to consume P-subs or not, but they can lead to relapse.
     
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  8. Jilloy

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    Porn is short said, the epitome of human greed. It combines the two things humans have the most greed for. Sexual hunger and Money.
    Porn is the useage of sexual hunger to earn money.
     
  9. willem20

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    I like this topic, as it sparks a fundamental debate in this journey.

    To put a hypotheses: PMO sparks certain neurochemicals in our brain, most notably dopamine and serotonin. Let's say there are digestable products that can trigger there neurochemicals of the same level. Product A for dopamine, B for serotonin, C for oxytocin etc. If you were to blend these products and consume them, would that also reset your counter?

    I think it should. As maybe you aren't watching P, but you are exposed to the chemicals that are triggered by P. To conclude, it means that NoFap is not just about abstaining from motion pictures of people having coïtus, but about abstaining (or regulating) our consumption of those chemicals.
     
  10. Jilloy

    Jilloy Guest

    Abstaining is not possible as every human needs, for example, dopamine to survive. The problem is that PMO exposes us to way too high doses of the chemicals. We need to derive and consume the chemicals in a natural, and as you said, regulated way.
     
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  11. willem20

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    Good point. But as far as my knowledge goes, dopamine can be gained by consuming, but is also created by the body without direct stimulants. (We obviously need to consume to some extent.)
    The question now is, where lies the difference between the natural products and the hyperstimuli like fastfood? In a sense we can argue that every product nowadays is a manually fabricated product. Let alone that everyday activities, such as watching tv, gaming and using the internet offers a novelty that is unknown in the natural world.
     
  12. zip6331

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    There was a Supreme Court Justice when reviewing a pornography case commented, "I don't actually know what pornography is, but I know it when I see it." IMO it's whatever elicits a reaction from the person watching it. Recently, a perf posted a comment on Twitter telling people not to "contact performers about helping them get into the 'industry'; that there plenty of agencies available. Maybe, she doesn't want to accept responsibility for being the person that helps someone get involved in such a rotten, disreputable business? I would think that most of us are now or have been in jobs that actually contribute to society, and would be delighted to share our experiences with someone who showed an interest in our work. Bottom line, these people are shit, and their "industry" is shit.
     
  13. marcpro

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    Everyone has it's own definition.
    For me it would be Porn and Porn subs.
    Porn subs are different for everybody:
    Can be things about sex on youtube
    Lingerie, girls in the streets with not so much cloth on.
    I saw a post from a dude that would immediatly turn his head when he saw a girl ^^.
    The only way to delete P subs from your life is to go live in the forest.
    We have to control it.
    I stay here on NF, because I know how worse this PMO can get.
    I'll never regret it, this community is awesome. We're all in the same shit
     
  14. zip6331

    zip6331 Guest

    marcpro You are right on the money. We are all in the same shit.I know it may sound harsh but along with NF, I found that for me the best way to pull away from my porn crush addiction was to dehumanize her. When PMO became a non-issue is when my real problem started. I became addicted to her as a person as well as a perf. Bad move. I get this perf has a family, and all the rest, but they are not my family. I now wear a bracelet that has engraved on it, "It's not my concern!" These people are Not My Concern, neither is the shit they peddle.
     
  15. Veritech

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    I do not see any advantage of defining porn or porn sub.

    If the image causes you to masturbate or leads you to masturbate then the image needs to be avoided. Period.

    This of course leaves the question, what do you do about that sexy beer ad when you are caught in traffic on the freeway?
     
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  16. zip6331

    zip6331 Guest

    ^
    Well said
     
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