Elliot Rodger

Wow, He should've learnt how to talk to girls. There's number of ways people got successful by some "gurus" teach about woman. He should've tried that.

I know bitchy girls are hard to get, he was pretty much going after sorority girls aka Obnoxious types. Shy girls or Flabby girls also exist and they're the best keeper than bitchy girls.

Moreover, he was pretty sexually frustrated. If he was that much frustrated, he should've hire a hooker and get it over with.

Feel sorry for the kid

 

That explains how I've felt about myself for the last 6 years, glad you were able to get out of it, I'm still trying. But yes, what Abel says is the truth as I'm living through it.

 

I completely agree. When we see sick sexual crimes (and sometimes even non-sexual crimes like the California shooting) and we look further, we usually find that the murderer/rapist had some time of porn problem. Ariel Castro is one of the better known example most recently. If people would stop treating sex like a necessity or like it was owed to them or that porn is harmless, we could solve this issue.

 

I found the following news paper article instructive and includes a 4-minute piece to camera giving an overview of the main incidents and issues involved. Evidently, he had "multiple therapists" and a social worker alerted the police to the threat he posed last week. I am still processing my own feelings about this. I will just leave this link for now.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/three-bodies-taken-from-elliot-rodgers-apartment-20140525-zrniv.html

 

It's sad but what he said is exactly how I've felt for the last year, I feel like I've given a lot to women without getting nothing at exchange, I feel like they owe me something.
I still feel like this and I don't know if quitting PMO is going to fix my sexual frustration.

 

I read an article (http://tinyurl.com/mrr75ll) online at about midday (NZ time) about the shooting and I read the last two pages of his 140 page document and I was just shocked. I'll get back to the document thing but I just want to note something else I read about it. It said he was part of some website forum which is basically a forum for people who hate women. I think the description was that it was where people who had paid money and put time into trying to find ways to pick up women or have sexual relationships with people who could complain. I remember when I used to watch porn and I'd see things like "How to get any girl with three easy steps" as an ad and you'd have to pay a sum of money and you'd get a book or probably a DVD that was most likely full of bullshit as it was designed to make money not actually work. Now I'll make a point about the killers' 140 page document of which I read the last 2 pages. He felt that it was womens' fault that he couldn't have a girlfriend and as hydrangeas said;

he really just wanted a relationship. Now I figure I'm rambling a bit and to be honest, I normally don't get too worked up over these shootings but this one got me mostly, I think, because it highlights the problems that we have with sexism and all that. Now I'm really rambling but it gets to me how some people can be so ridiculously sexist. There's no way I'm writing what he said he'd do to women if he ruled the world but it was pretty grim. I feel I'm not making much sense and I've barely said anything I want to but I'll wrap it up here and I'd love to hear what other people think.

 

@Abel
If you can't handle the rejections from some chicks, you go firing people and thinking you would never get laid then I guess you need to go see a freakin' therapist. Guys these days blame themself about getting rejected but they don't know the hell why the chicks are rejecting 'em maybe they are in bad mood, maybe she's on periods, maybe she got some problem at home but you had to take it on your heart. Can't you just let it go and try on someone else. But if you're that horny, hire a hooker but if you don't have the balls to hire a hooker,you don't have the balls to talk to a girl. Period

Like I said, Getting Rejection from the chicks are nothing if you have to achieve in something greater in your life eventually you'll get a girlfriend when the time is right. I've seen guys these days, They're needy,clingy. If they slept with a chick ,they think that's their wife/girlfriend and when the girl rejects them they got mental stress,do many kind of crazy things to get attention from a girl. Can't you just have some fun. Do you really have to take it on your heart,do ya? Moreover, Guys would not even get the idea of sleeping with multiple girls. They're after "finding the perfect one"

And I've seen the "Gurus" teaching the students to help them recover the qualities woman want, that's where you're wrong. Some guys are totally fake I agree but are really helping and you have absolutely no idea with the people getting results from them. I was also sexually frustrated but I recovered slowly . I had nobody to talk but did It on my own, went through college alone , Rejected from every chick I knew in my college, fapped the hell out of my dick,low self esteem, being bullied from every student, you can check my yahoo I posted irrelevant question ask helping you would laugh at me, and this year I got girlfriend but I didn't think myself a loser I'm awesome and I'll be whatever anyone thinks.By the way, Why the hell would you have some support from your parents, you would ask your dad "how to pick up chicks", "Get laid" "Helping to get the booty" you would talk about this? Come on tell me what kind of support you wanted from your parents? You're in your 20s/30s I don't know but old enough if you're emotional like chicks, throwing tantrums man you need severe help. So, Be a man,Think like a man.

Good luck !!

 

@Abel: I was needy, But I didn't do any kind of stupid thing like this kid did and same as you were thinking earlier, I knew I was the one to blame to no one else is responsible for my actions. I didn't blame them and started to mold myself. Men are more sexually frustrated we tend to think about sexual desires more than woman that's why we're on nofap forum to stop PMO otherwise we would've controlled this soon enough.I don't blame my parents, that my dad didn't help me to pick up chicks or my mom told me some tricks how to talk to woman. I matured myself and I learnt it on my own. Parents teach us to be nice not wild and obnoxious. It's the playground where we find wild and obnoxious pattern.

I was referring "Gurus" because that kid needed help,Its nothing to be ashamed about and if he would've gotten some help those people would've been alive by now and that kid too.

Moreover, I'm no one to judge anybody here, neither I flaunt I knew everything about life. But yes,I'm proud I changed myself !

 

@Abel :
Its better to be late than never!!

 

I'm reading some very serious negative POV's towards women in this post from some guys and that's really uncalled for. It's the PMO addiction guys and some of you need to accept this. You really need to understand what a lady goes through in her life starting at the age of about 12 with men. 90% of all women experience some sort of sexual truama in their lives. There are no bitchy women. There are no ladies who wake up each day and look forward to having multiple guys constantly hit on them and leer at them all day long yet that is the daily life of almost every lady on the planet.
Rejection means you tried, and you get to try again. it's her loss of a great guy. Rejection from a woman is nothing compared to the amount of rejection a man will face in the real world.
Understand what PMO addiction does to your attitude towards women.

 

US Murders

It's such a sad story about the murders which took place in America. I hope that all the families affected can find peace.

But it got me thinking, why did he have thoughts like that? He was annoyed that he was 22 and a virgin, having never kissed a girl. The only issue with this is social pressure and maybe the pressure that porn puts on us. Do you recon porn had an impact on what happened?

I am in no way trying to diminish what has happened her, it is sad in every way, I just want to start an open discussion.

Peace out guys.

 

It's tragic isn't it. Initially I wanted to agree with you, but then I thought you don't see any of us thinking about that sort of thing. There are just so many other factors, there's a hell of a lot wrong with a person who wants to ruin innocent lives because they think their's is. No one on this site can be judgemental, but when things like this happen, someone down just trying to make a statement, it's hard not to judge them

 

Disclaimer. This may get a little ranty.

I was skimming through the Manifesto earlier today. That guy grew up so close to where I did. I recognized all the street names and places he mentioned. He had very similar hobbies to me. Its really weird and hits close to home. After reading about two incidents where a pretty girl smiled at him and he wanted to say something to her but didn't and 'forever wondered if she found him attractive' (or something like that). Then I closed it thinking "this guy is a sore loser scum that never tried to earn affection. He just felt like it should fall on his lap."

Then I came to this thread and read about the last two pages. I went back and read those and holy shit. I am nothing like this guy. He's like a baby Hitler on a crusade against women, instead of Jews and gypsies. Those last two pages were awfully disturbing. The fact that people like this exist is terrifying.
It seriously scares me to think about it.

Maybe college life could put less pressure on guys to lose their v cards, maybe society has too much sexual imagery, (actually, it definitely does), and maybe his views towards women were skewed by porn, but, IMO, this guy's life was miserable because he made it that way. He let rejection take over him, and failed to see the positivity in his life.

There are millions of young male virgins who have lots of anxiety and intense desires for intimacy (hello NoFap! no offense), but they don't plan to destroy the world because they aren't getting what they want!

They choose to improve themselves until they get it! This guy spent two weeks intensely working out in an attempt to make himself appear as attractive as possible to women. Tried to meet someone and "lose it" one night after those two weeks, and then came up with this plan to kill all the girls having sex. Who does that? What the fuck??

Hence my conclusion. This guy was a sore loser with a few guns. He couldn't handle life. Its good that he's gone. Its a shame he took so many innocents with him.

 

Santa Barbara shooting - did porn do this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...123026-e3b4-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-...med-as-gunman-in-california-shootings/5476256

No doubt this was one disturbed dude, but some of the above quotes really seemed to suggest that porn had something to do with it.

Porn presents women as constantly ready and willing to have sex - theyre just these sluts who take very little persuading to do the deed with.

The reality is very different. When some young men find out that real women dont instantly smile, flirt and give off all the sexy vibes towards them (which porn has conditioned them to accept as normal and their right), then the contradiction can be disastrous.

Rodgers was clearly frustrated with being a virgin and seemed to believe that beautiful women owed him sex - that's what all the hollywood movies promise will happen at college; that's what porn promises will happen with any beautiful young woman who dresses the right way.

And I really believe that a core of a PMO addiction is loneliness, depression and just blind rage - all induced by porn and medicated with more porn (hence the addiction).

We might first turn to porn because we love women and are curious about their bodies, but it ends with an extreme hatred of real women for i)not being porn actresses (cheating you of sex) or ii) for being porn actresses: dirty, less than human and worth punishing/degrading/humiliating.

Either way, porn destroys our humanity and can easily destroy innocent others around us too.

Anyone agree?

 

Of course he used to watch porn every day, but the thing I thought about right away is the fact that the guy is young, that it's okay to be virgin at 22, and that there are people who can help shy guys like him.

I know what it is to be virgin so late in life, and I also know people much older than him who found their true selves at 30 and then became great pickup artists who love women sincerely.

The age is a data, but not decisive at all. It's what you have in mind that makes you young or old. And this guy used to think he was already too old and got impatient.

 

For sure he watched porn. Add porn with a bit of mental illness and you get bad results.

 

That's where a lot of us need to remember and understand. We can't change the past. No matter how much regret we have and what we know we should have done differently, we can't do anything about it, what happened happened. BUT we can learn from it and use those 'what I would have done differently' things into our present life so that it doesn't happen again and so you will have less regrets in the future.

 

Alex, check out this thread for the current forum discussion of this.

Porn might've contributed to his mindset but I think it was more his sense of entitlement. I skimmed through some of it and he has this weird dual belief of himself. "I'm a gentleman who deserves affection! But I'm not getting it so I'm a loser, and maybe I don't deserve it."

I just feel like he had such a distorted view of how relationships and women work. This might've been from porn. It might've been from romance stories too. There's so much sexual and romantic imagery in our society that it might've contributed to his expectation of love and sex. Maybe it was because he got everything he wanted growing up and then women was the one thing he had to work towards and didn't want to. To me, it seems like he just expected hot women to like him without any effort. Either way, he was truly messed up in the head.

Or he just couldn't handle life? If he had someone explaining to him specific lessons like "Focus on yourself more than anyone else" or "Don't 'try' to get laid. Just let it happen naturally. It will." maybe it would've been different.

I know many Fapstronauts, myself included, can relate to the sense of rejection that he was feeling but we didn't decide those girls were stupid enough to live. We improve ourselves till we truly deserve what we want!

It was his own distorted view on life that caused this. Maybe this was caused by porn. We don't know. If he had dug a little deeper into how things work, it probably would've been different.

 

I think it has more to do with the social rejection aspect than anything. Girls are only part of the equation, as many have already stated. But isn't it strange that it's often disturbed young MEN rather than women that go on these killing sprees.