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My Dreams of MG

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Siloam Levi, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. Siloam Levi

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    My Dreams of a Girl

    Update, 6 July: Things have gotten significantly better on the relationship side of things, not because anything's happened between us two, but because I've made progress in confronting this problem and have started dealing with it.

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    This is the first time I am openly soliciting detailed relationship advice from a community of strangers, so you guys should take this as a compliment.

    I am literally going crazy over a young woman, nothing is working out and everything is against me. Age difference is a factor. Family ties are another factor. Personal interests are another one. It goes on...

    The Problems

    a) My friend was fifteen when I met her, and she's seventeen now. I'm twenty-nine. Normally I don't go for underage girls, but this one is different. I am committed to looking after her and being her perfect man.

    In medieval times girls would marry at ages 14-15 to men who were not usually younger than age 30. In this bizarre modern society full of porn and materialism we do things a little bit differently. Instead of rationalising this first problem any more, I'll just indicate that when I am 32, she'll be 20; when she is 30, I'll be 42, and when I'm 62, she'll be 50, and so on...

    b) Older sister A interfered with our relationship and told me to "piss off" and threatened me in various ways. I can't see myself getting along with this person, ever. (She hates older sister A now.) Her mother and older sister B seem supportive of her and whatever she wants in life. Haven't met her dad but I get the feeling he'd be wary of any guys who aren't the "perfect man."

    c) She's been brought up in this depraved pop culture and seems completely uninterested by Mary (the virgin), or white magic, or Biblical and scriptural languages, all of which I like a lot, not that I am an expert on any of these topics. She had porn on her Facebook profile back in 2012. Likes movies and tv shows like the Simpsons and Family Guy, all of which I despise without fail. Others would call her pretty normal, but we here at NoFap recognise that "normal" is not necessarily good, and if porn is to be considered normal nowadays then the world has things very, very wrong.

    Or maybe it's right to trust in this stupid popular culture, and the best thing for me is to go on Jerry Springer to speak more about my bizarre sex life. I wouldn't say that unless I was depressed, so help me out here guys, I'm at a loss.

    Update, 6 July: That was a joke, but I get the sense that television and talk shows can't help me here. It might be nice to believe that they could, but I've never derived any benefit from talk shows, motivational speakers, or pseudo-spiritual and "self-help" books. If they could not save my original parents' marriage, they cannot help me prepare a solid foundation for my own.

    Thanks SL
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2014
  2. Ekhangel

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    So... What do you even like about her that much? She clearly is not your type (of character/intellect).
     
  3. Hey man, I wish I could help you out. As far as the age gap goes, I think your attraction to her has mostly to do with youth I wouldn't rationalize it beyond that. I mean, older guys going after young girls isn't exactly a new thing, in evolutionary terms women are most fertile at a young age while guys can continue to provide genetic material well into their older years (though recent evidence shows that sperm denatures significantly by then, increasing chances of less healthy offspring).

    Beyond that if she's into the stuff she's into and you're not, you can't change that. You shouldn't go around wanting to change that in people. If she has those qualities, maybe you're not actually interested in her personality and it's more of a lust thing.

    I can't say much more. I can understand how you feel right now, these kinds of emotions literally drive you insane. They're incredibly irrational, so to try to approach it logically will end up getting you lost, and to try to approach it emotionally turns you into a weepy, indecisive sap (at least for me haha). Isn't love grand?

    Maybe try not to be so attached to these emotions (note I mean the emotions and not this girl MG). Kind of like when you get an urge to watch porn, you can sit back and experience the desire wash over you without interfering in it, and that gives you a sort of control over it.
     
  4. Finalfight123

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    Honestly dude how many other girls do you know. I mean to say that she is the "one" is really from inexperience. I somewhat know the feeling i'm 19 and like a 16 year old so its not the same but I have a feeling.

    But honestly the sister and age are minor problems because if she likes you those are fairly meaningless. But different likes and dislikes is actually also fine because no two people are the same. But if you are very religious and she isn't and that is a problem for you then maybe I can see how it would be difficult.

    I just think you should get to know her but date other people or at the very least meet. You might only like her because she's one of the few girls that you are attracted to. Go out there dude and get to know her better and see what she thinks of the idea.

    Good luck man and thanks for trusting us that is a high compliment.
     
  5. singed

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    I feel like I need to reply to this, although doing so makes me question my judgement. I'm certainly not a relationship expert, as I've only ever had one, but I have been with her for almost 25 years and married for nearly 23 of that. However, I have some other unusual circumstances which might lend perspective to your situation. Or might not. Hopefully someone will get something out of this post, because it's going to reveal a lot more about me than I am truly ready for. This is going to take a lot of explaining just to describe the situation.

    I have an emotional attachment to a sixteen year old girl to an extent that many people will likely find creepy. (The same one I wrote in my journal about sitting through awkward film scenes with.) She comes from a large family with an absent father. We are close friends with her mother and all her siblings. Actually, the one I'm most attached to is now eleven years old. That one has a very forward personality and became very fond of me at church almost two years ago and drew us in to her whole family. I feel as strongly about her as I do my own kids. The kids all adore me and I am a part-time stand-in father figure to most, if not all, of them to some degree although it's hard to say just how much because it's a sensitive subject that they won't talk about directly. My feelings about the sixteen year old have another dimension. Rather than simply fatherly, I feel a very peer-like connection to her. Over time I realized that she is very much like me personality-wise. She is introverted, shy, socially awkward, self-conscious, intelligent, artistic, sensitive, and a little dark. We also like much of the same music. I believe she has emotional issues similar to mine, but is very reserved about her feelings, as I am and especially was at that age. Our shared quiet nature makes her the hardest to get to know from her family, especially for another shy introvert. We have been alone at times and talked little to not at all, but I still treasure her company even in silence and she has shown signs that she feels likewise. I have slowly built a rapport with her over months because I would like to become confidants. I think it would be mutually beneficial for us to be able to discuss our similar mood issues. The only reason I am active on any social networks is to communicate with her. I think about her every day and wish that we could be more open with each other.

    Whenever I get to know any reasonably attractive woman (as anti-social as I am, that's not many), my brain spins out random romantic or sexual thoughts about them. It's part of the way my ADD brain works: endlessly rehearsing multitudes of social situations in my imagination, however unlikely, to compensate for my inability to read social cues in whatever situations actually play out. (It doesn't work very well.) However, I know that I would never act on these impulses. Even if this girl exhibited "daddy issues" and developed a romantic or sexual attraction to me, and I were somehow available, I know that we're just not right for that.

    Now what advice would I give you based in my experience?
    First I will say I'm generally supportive of the "half your age plus seven" rule which would suggest that you shouldn't date anyone younger than 21.5. However, I realize that love doesn't always follow such tidy rules. I still think it's wise to be cautious before disregarding that guideline. What I would suggest is to be the best friend you can to this girl first. Be a confidant. Be a mentor. Then if she wants to be closer than that, she will let you know. Even if she does, I would still take things slowly and make sure that she's not going to regret it later. And in the meantime, don't allow yourself to focus solely on her. Get to know other women and see how you feel about them as well. As for unsupportive family, that largely depends on how important they are to her and how much her relationships with them would suffer.

    Anyway, I hope someone finds this useful so that I haven't outed myself as a freakshow for nothing.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2014
  6. Siloam Levi

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    I thought I'd done that already... I'm actually really glad you posted that. Out of all the helpful responses, this was by far the best. You guys make me feel almost normal. Are you telling me that I don't need to go on Jerry Springer after all?

    Seriously, this is really tough material to talk about so let's grab the bull (or the goat) by the horns and work out the problem so it can't threaten us any more.

    It is not a crime to like someone.

    M did not see any problem with having a boyfriend some 12 years older than her but social conventions prevented me from being that older guy.

    The one part of my relationship with this girl that I totally reject is sexual desire. Note that this is distinct from physical attraction. I like her personality as well as her good looks, and that she is completely unpretentious and fiercely independent.

    FinalFight I would have to answer that, although I am no "Casanova," I know enough girls to distinguish between the ones that are interesting (2%) and the ones that aren't (98%). I actually met a fifteen-year-old girl two years before M, so my relationship with her rehashed this somewhat. I'm glad I did meet that first one because it gave me the opportunity to communicate ideas relating to chastity, Christianity and relationships to a younger audience that would otherwise be in the dark and wallowing in atheism. This first girl is studying at university now and is as fine a specimen of womanhood as anyone could ever wish to meet. All girls see her as a role model.

    I would like to show the same commitment to M because she is worth saving from the hated abyss of popular materialistic culture. Girl A fought viciously at first to reject all my ideas but I am glad I stuck with her because now we have a mutual respect that cannot be shaken or called into question by anyone, not her parents or teachers or employers or anyone else. Really, it is not me who will sort out all this confusion regarding Ms. MG, it is the Higher Power that I call the Divine Mother (Mary); she is the one behind the scenes who looks after all women and who gives us the opportunity to meet the ones we can interact with most well.

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    People can say what they like; if I am established in chastity all their accusations are baseless and without foundation.

    Thanks for the replies :)
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2014
  7. Siloam Levi

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    I think that's quite common, actually. M and I both do that to a high degree. The only solution I can suggest is to recognise unhealthy fantasies and replace them with positive imaginings of what is best to say to this person.

    To this end I am writing a short book for this girl called Doctrine of Chastity. If she likes me so much then she will like reading it, even if she doesn't fully comprehend the ideas within or happens to disagree with some of the concepts at first.
     

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