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170 days so far, but where to go?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by timber_tramp, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. timber_tramp

    timber_tramp Fapstronaut

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    Hi everyone,

    when I posted here for the first time, I finished my second 90 day challenge, but didn't get the results I was hoping for. With the help from the people here it was to see easy why and that I had focused on the wrong thing.

    If anybody is interested, here is the link, which explains my situation at that point better ---> https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/mission-complete-but-still.85258/#post-684518

    Anyways, I could find motivation to extend that 90 days of not fapping to another 90 days, which will soon be finished. I intended to do it not in order to have sex, but to do it for me, to make me feel good and be better connected with myself...
    The more time passes, not fapping/not watching porn or any erotic pictures at all seems to be getting more and more easier. The cravings become very rare, maybe once or twice every two weeks I would say. But something has happened which I am not sure if I can relate it to this solely, but I don't know what else could be the cause.

    I seem to have become invisible to women... Most women I meet now, no matter where, see me and then it's like I'm just not there for them. They don't even check me out, which is something I have been used to. This is really weird and not especially beneficial for my self esteem. Actually it is painful in a way. I have been going for almost half a year without an orgasm now and I'm seriously starting to wonder if I am doing the right thing, because I feel like women do not relate anything sexually attracting with me at all anymore. That used to be much better when I was still fapping/watching porn... Anybody else experiencing this? Even though my goal for this challenge now was not having sex, I still expected a more positive change regarding womens reactions to me, after all I've read on here...

    I will definitely finish my 180 days, but I am really looking for a perspective now, where I can go from there, because I do not want to go back to the old thing after all this in a way. But I also really don't want to lead a life in celibacy any longer...

    I am very thankful to any thoughts or advice on this matter :)

    B.
     
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  2. To the next level, which is 170 years!

    Godmode.
    Good luck.
     
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  3. ClimberF

    ClimberF Fapstronaut

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    Damn. That´s interesting..
    So have you being peeking some pictures or being on facebook checking out girls?
    What about wet dreams? morning wood? what about your flatline? already have it?
    What about excercise?
    What about social life? Are you frequently hang out with friends? speak often to girls?
    What about your perception about women? Have you felt some chance or are you still objetifying them?
    What about your confidence level in this whole journey? better than when you fap a lot?
     
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  4. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    Timber, when you finished your first 90 days you started a thread that sounded a lot like this one. You had finished and didn't know where to go. You were going to use that thread as a journal through your second 90 days. I think doing that would have helped you to be in an even better position today. It takes time and energy to build a relationship. I think that the best relationships do not begin with sex. During a reboot would be an ideal time to date and get to really know another person without having to perform. You did 90 days to get free of PMO, and you did another 90 days for yourself, to be a better you, maybe now you need a third 90 days, this time to work on female companionship and relationships.
     
  5. timber_tramp

    timber_tramp Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for your input Yogi,

    I really focused on abstaining from seeing any erotic material at all. Which I found out is not so easy because of the society we currently live in. I found nude skin to be pretty much everywhere and I consciously made myself just look away, which became really easy after a short time. Plus I found out that I can look, but it is not arousing. It was like I found a body to be appealing, but the overall woman not and this made me loose interest in her.
    It's really weird that nude women are everywhere - ads, music videos, commercials... When I did my last 90 days I was on tinder and rather desperate for a date, but it didn't work too well. The past 80 days I abstained from that too, I also didn't check out girls on facebook, or anywhere else, because I was really serious about the whole thing.

    I've almost never had any wet dreams throughout all of my reboots. I've had a few erotic dreams, but I never ejaculated. I think this is something that has never happened to me at all. Morning wood - I didn't pay too much attention to that, so I can't answer it 100% surely, but I think that didn't change so much. Some days yes, some days no. I think I had a few days with a really massive hard on, but I never felt an urge to masturbate. Also being far in the process helps a lot with not just going back I think.
    I definitely had a few phases of flatline, where I was completely disconcerned about anything that had to do with women or sex. Actually it felt kind of nice, because in this state not fapping/not having sex at all was perfectly easy and very natural.

    I am eating clean/excercising for a few years of my life now. I also do yoga and practice meditation pretty much every day.

    My social life could definitely be better... Last fall I moved to the capital of my country, to attend university. I've met a lot of people, but building friendships takes time for me and with all the other things going on I probably didn't focus too much on that. I also found that my really straight way of living doesn't find resonance with most of the people I meet. But I am used to that and I know there are people and also at some point there will be a woman, who also choose to live life in a conscious way. I do not talk a lot with girls, I've always had a good connection with them, but at the moment I don't see any girls around me that I would find to be really interesting, and so it stays with shorter chats and all that.

    A part of me is very used to objectifying women and still does that from time to time. Another part has always been able to connect to them on a different level and be genuinely caring. But I think the more time goes by, the more I am looking for love, rather than sex. Basically my confidence is definitely better than when I used to fap. It's just this whole thing of being alone and without physical closeness that I still find really hard at times. Also when I noticed my "invisibility" was really hard for my confidence.
     
  6. timber_tramp

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    Thank you, this sounds like a really good idea! What do you think about tinder? I've used it in the past and was surprised by what beautiful people (in the sense of alltogether beauty) I could find, as I didn't expect too much from a dating app. Do you think it is ok to use it, because I'm not really going out anymore and I kinda like how direct it is, in the way that you just know that the other person is also single and looking for someone.
     
  7. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    I am older school, I'd favor more face to face meeting through common interests, but I know that the world has changed since I worked with my future wife in a summer camp for inner city kids. That was almost 43 years ago, and we're still together.
    I have never used or even checked out any matching site, so I am not the best resource here. I will say that what is inside is far more important than the shape or shade of the skin that wraps it. Especially coming off of PMO, it is important to be cautious of pictures and sexual turn-on's in a dating site that could lead to a relapse. You want a partner worth keeping for a long time. Good looks are nice, but a poor basis for any commitment, and they certainly are not permanent. When you retire together at 65, you want to still enjoy being with each other, but, without spending fortunes on plastic surgeries and cosmetics, you won't still look like teenagers. That certainly does not mean that won't enjoy being together and continue enjoying sex together. At the age of 93, my grandfather told me how angry he was at his doctor, who had done a recent prostrate procedure and apparently damaged the wrong nerve. In my youth, I could not imagine anybody at that age wanting an erection, but, since that conversation, I have wanted a wife that would still excite me in my 90's.
    Whatever system you use, I hope you find an exciting, compatible, long lasting partner, and I hope you will bless her life as she blesses yours.
     
  8. ClimberF

    ClimberF Fapstronaut

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    Ok I got you.. You must know one thing. All people have solitary moments and periods.. Maybe life is giving you that because something great would come to you. But you should thing that of course is better to have lonely days without PMOing that PMOing all the time.. If you feel bad, you would feel really worst if you PMO. That will definitely makes you feel worst and lonelier. In my case I know I need at least 9 months to fully recover according to what Gabe Deem said. So.. Still fighting!
     
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  9. Runtilmylegsdropoff

    Runtilmylegsdropoff Fapstronaut

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    You shouldn't be so obsessed with the so called superpowers of attracting women because of nofap. Do something productive with your life; work towards a degree, work on a hobby you like/love, just get out and do things.
     
  10. The words in your title, "where to go?" really hit close to home. I know that feeling so well. It's like having this super neutral mindset, like depression but entirely without the negative feelings, almost like a sociopath that can't feel any emotion. It really makes you question whether or not your goals are really worth it after all. Like: "Why should I get my own place?" So I can live all by myself? You eventually get to a point where you look at life, relationships, sex, etc. in a very passive, unbiased way. Even when I imagine myself with a beautiful girlfriend and family, I don't experience any happy emotions like I use to, but rather a "ehh, so what? Big deal type of thing." A part of me definitely died during this journey, but I am proud of it, and will never turn back. This is the new me now.
     
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  11. Runtilmylegsdropoff

    Runtilmylegsdropoff Fapstronaut

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    Another thing I think that nofappers can get caught up in is that the longer they go on their streak, the more they feel like outside strangers (mainly females) owe them something. They don't, they are oblivious. Most people outside of the Nofap community don't know much of what pmo is or our Nofap lingo/ language that we use.

    That's why it's so important to get a life. Most outsiders aren't going to cheer you on that you're now fap and porn free, whoopdeedo to them,they don't care how long your streak is. Get a life you'll be proud to live and take care of yourself and your loved ones. Get out of the egomania with the exaggerated superpowers and the obsession with how much/how little females are attracted to you.

    I don't mean to sound harsh in this post, but let's put things in a proper and realistic perspective.
     
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  12. How do you go about getting a "life" when it all seems so insignificant? I don't want to get in a relationship and have nothing to offer because I am a cold, emotionless person. Get what I am saying? Or perhaps I can pretend that I give a shit. I'm great at doing that.
     
  13. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    You take life one day at a time and start working on yourself. Baby steps if you need to. For example, day 1- get a decent haircut and maybe shave.
     
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  14. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    I think matrix that you may still be feeling the lingering effects of PM induced brain fog. I know because I suffered with it for years. I mistakened it for depression, I was really feeling awful and a lot of times also cold and emotionless. This is what frying your dopamine receptors does. Your dopamine are valuable neurotransmitters that your brain uses and you can really fry the reward center through P and M.
     
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  15. ClimberF

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    Still fighting dude.. You should be in flatline. Sometimes flatline takes months!.... 90 or 100 days is just the beginning to fully recover in my case and in a lot of cases.!
     
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  16. I know what brain fog is like, depression, emotionless, can't think straight, but this is very different. My mind and thoughts are crystal clear, even my goals and "baby steps" are. I feel perfectly fine, just very neutral. Heck, I even feel neutral about losing my virginity a couple months ago, which was a bit more than a night stand, but even during that short relationship I felt no emotion or anything. I don't mean to sound pretentious, but it's kind of like the mindset of a corrupted billionaire or politician that strategizes really well, gets material possesions, but ultimately feels emty inside.

    Even though I have started my own positive activist websites, influencing thousands of people, I feel no sense of accomplisment. After a hard day of work or a productive day of self-employed writing, I feel no sense of accomplisment. It's like I'm a robot who's sole purpose is to have a positive impact on this world, then die. However, if I can leave a positive impact to the best of my ability in this life time, it would truely make me content when I do leave this world more than anything else. I guess having a positive impact on others is the only thing now that brings me happiness, but even that begins to fade. However, I'm doing perfectly fine. I hardly self reflect anymore either. Sorry, it's hard to put in words, but I am doing fine.
     
  17. What really puts a smile on my face more than anything, coming to think of it, is that I had a helping hand in locking up pedophilles and sex traffickers. It makes me far happier than any sex, just knowing that fact that thousands of evil pieces of shit are rotting away in prison because of me.
     
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  18. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Okay cool, sounds like you got it figured out.
     
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  19. Champ39

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    I feel exactly the same way you do, I thought I was alone having the ''super neutral mindset'', but apparently not.
     
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  20. ClimberF

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    Actually some of you guys are in flatline period that take months. please read this.
    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/porn-recovery-and-mysterious-flatline
     
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