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Habits to replace PMO

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Deleted Account, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. Hey guys, I've been reading a lot about the "habit loop" and it's effects on our decisions. For people that don't know, a habit loop contains 3 parts: cue (or what NoFappers call triggers) routine and reward. These are bound together by a craving. Example PMO. Cue - see a pop up with a hot model, routine - fap fap fap, reward - dope. Craving? I find this hard to give a name to but I'd say for PMO it would be a want for a release. The theory is that to change your habits you have to find a new routine to respond to the same cues and give the same results. If you practice your new routine enough than when you get triggered you will start to automatically go to your new habit instead of the old one.

    So what is a good habit to replace PMO? I don't mean things like workout out, even though they are good habits and will help take your mind off of PMO, the idea here is a habit you do every time you get an urge until this new habit becomes stronger than the PMO habit. I can't go off to the gym every time I get triggered.

    Anyway what do you guys think? What habit do you do whenever you get triggered?
     
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  4. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    We don't have to find a replacement for old habits. We can just let them go as we move on. They no longer fit into our game plan. Our goals and personal image no longer include that habit, so we just quit. As little boys/girls, we did things that we now consider disgusting, but we have moved on. There was a time when everything we picked up we put in our mouth, but now we don't do that. We also did not replace that activity with a similarly pleasing activity, like rubbing it on our tummy. We rolled in mud, we picked our nose and ate it, we insisted on wearing the same clothes for days, we slept with our skateboard, but now we never want our mothers to tell our girlfriend all our old habits. We did not replace those habits, we just grew up and moved on into more acceptable behavior. Part of giving up PMO is revisioning it as something harmful and revolting. Not only do we not want our mother telling our girlfriend about our PMO habits, we don't want to think of mom knowing about it, but she probably has a good idea of what we've been doing. Let's just grow up, give it up, and act like big boys, like real men. Let's spend more time in things that will look good on our resumes.
     
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  5. Both are very good ideas and I've been trying them, unfortunately so far as soon as I finish the activity the urge comes back.
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    If it was that simple there wouldn't be a need for a NoFab website, we would have all let this habit go. Unfortunately it is more complicated. Whether you do so willingly or knowingly or not you must build new habits to overcome the bad ones. This is because your brain never forgets an old habit, even one you haven't been using in years. This is why an alcoholic that has been clean for 20 years can dive back into his addiction after only one drink.
     
  6. It's interesting because in the beginning you say "We don't have to find a replacement for old habits" but then end with "Let's spend more time in things that will look good on our resumes" so clearly there is some replacing that needs to be done in order to grow. You can't just sweep out the house of past devils and then expect it to stay empty. Nature abhors a vacuum. If you don't replace your pmo habit with something good then you will either transfer to another addiction or go back to the old one and your state will be worse than the first.

    "We must crowd out our addictions, fill our lives with other things, better things, good obsessions, pure passions." --Fulton J. Sheen.
     
  7. Ghost79

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    Gaming, sports and fasting really helps during NoFap
     
  8. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    I am totally with you on nature abhors a vacuum. We need to stay busy, and better we should fill our lives with good activities and purpose.
    I do not see moving on from PMO as a one-to-one replacement for each bad habit. If I used to enjoy playing in the mud, I did not have to find an equivalent replacement activity before I could give it up. There is not a single activity that would exactly take the place of and provide the pleasure of mud play. Still, I gave it up. I found other interests and changed my tastes. In my life, there is no "this is what I do instead of playing in mud." I would not feel comfortable in muddy clothes, and I would not want to clean up the mess I would leave on rugs and furniture. For a variety of reasons I have not played in mud recently.
    I think we give up PMO in a similar way. I do not think we need one replacement activity that will give us a similar pleasure as it occupies our time before we can give up PMO. I think we give up porn because it is bad for us, it does not fit with who we want to be, and it does not help us to grow, and it can leave a mess. I think we also fill our lives with good activities that will help us to improve and be better people. Some activities get a direct replacement: a baby goes from nursing to taking a bottle. I do not see PMO as needing "a bottle" to replace it before we can give it up. We do not need that excessive PMO dopamine rush. We need to live without it. I do not suggest sitting for hours in front of a blank screen doing nothing but fighting urges to PMO. I do recommend living a full, meaningful, joyful life with real people and real rewards.
     
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  10. Strength And Light

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    The quick answer for me is journaling. I learned early on in reboot that if I'm heavily triggered I will come to this website and write in my journal what I'm going through. I do not finish writing until I am certain I have "beaten" the urge. In my 8 months of reboot, this has probably saved me from relapse at least 3-4 times. Other things I have done is picked up hobbies that I dropped at some point because of PMO. These hobbies are creative or sports/fitness oriented.
     
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  11. I don't believe there is one activity which could replace or replicate the pleasure we get from pmo. In fact I don't believe there is any equal alternative replacement which is why life has been made heavier by us doing this act. Even if we are to fill our lives with all of the fun and wholesome things there is to do, we will still need to make peace with the boredom we've added to our lives by the abuse of our bodies and intellects. I'm reminded of a quote by Josemaria Escriva "You're bored? That's because you keep your senses awake and your soul asleep."

    I believe fully that this is why God put commandments regarding these things because once done they cannot be undone. They will always stay with us and hound us as a comparison to other pleasures. Like Teddy said "comparison is the thief of joy" and by us PMOing I think to some degree we have robbed wholesome activities of their joy. A joy which would have satiated us had we remained innocent. In this way Christ was right that his burden is lighter.

    Fortunately, Christ also said "behold, I make all things new", so I firmly believe that in Him we can regain our lost innocene. In Him we can become meek and humble of heart and therefore find refreshment and rest for our souls.
     
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  12. Elpho Sin

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    In my opinion, the key is to do something you absolutely love so you can immerse yourself in it completely and block anything else out:)
     
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  14. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    You've read and responded to my posts, but how do you respond to the original post for this thread? Are you in agreement with it? How would you tweak it?
     
  15. Amir123

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    I guess there is nothing that exactly we can replace , because when we have destroyed the normal dopamine system in our brain and there is no choice except that we have to tolerate some pain at first but while we are accepting this much pain we can have some rewards from it , the reward is to get want we want , what we always wanted and couldn't take it because of any reason
    I began this program 2 years ago but I'm new here from that time I'm exercising and now I'm good in shape , I'm studying MBA in one of the great universities of my country , I improved my job ( but all of them was the things that mostly god did for me )
    As a daily routine I pray , go to social meetings , read and do exercise
    When I don't do them for a period ( for example 5 days ) I will get depressed because of being useless and ... you know what happen then
     
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    Thanks!
     
  17. I believe we are creatures of habit and that our rituals dictate our actions. There are rituals involved with PMO, and so if we want out then we will need to change these rituals. Is there a habit that can replace pmo by giving us the same reward? No, I don't believe there is, however, this does not mean there isn't a habit that can replace pmo. I know of a habit which is currently helping me replace pmo and it's called prayer. The benefits of which far exceed any dopamine rush pmo could provide me with. But that is the fundamental difference between worldly rewards and spiritual rewards. Worldly rewards demand pleasure now and suffering later. Spiritual rewards demand suffering now and pleasure later.

    The fast before the feast, or the feast before the headache.
     
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  18. HappyDaysAreHereAgain

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    I like what you say about being helped by praying.
    My beliefs are more cognitive than behaviorally based. I believe that it is by changing our way of thinking that we come around to changing our feelings and actions. In practice I understand that it is a bit of, "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?" The reality is that we now have both of them and they work well together. Anybody could start from zero by buying chickens or fertilized eggs. Either one would lead to the other and on to both together.
    I think people are motivated to change more by dreams and ideas than by habits. I do recognize the importance of good habits for maintaining good behavior and steady growth. I see prayer as working in both areas. Some is a habit that is repeated at certain times and places as a ritual. Some is as conversation through which we come to new understanding, new focus, and new hope. I think that scripture readings also work in both ways, sometimes as a confirming ritual, and sometimes leading us into new insights with their motivations to better behavior. I used to spend more time reading to confirm my beliefs, but now I listen more and learn.
     
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