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What are your views on eugenics (human breeding)?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Deleted Account, May 29, 2017.

Do you support eugenics?

  1. I do support only positive eugenics

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  2. I do support only negative eugenics

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  3. I do support eugenics in general.

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  4. I do not support eugenics (please reply to thread and say why)

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  5. I don't care.

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  6. Other (please reply to thread and tell us what you think)

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  1. Eugenics is the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)

    I did a political test recently posted on here by @WalkingForward and there was a question that went something along the lines of "do you think people with genetic diseases should be allowed to reproduce?". I answered no. But that made me think - I'm curious what you guys think of this?

    Personally I think eugenics should be a global practice in the future. It would increase human intellect, it would obliterate many genetic diseases, would dramatically extend our biological age and so on. We could potentially breed superhuman race.

    I would not go as far as saying that it should be illegal for certain people to reproduce. But I think they should be encouraged to not to. By ways like increasing taxes, taking away some social benefits and so on, if they choose to do.

    More benefits would be controlled world population increase and popularizing adoption, which would greatly benefit many children's lives that otherwise would grow up without family.
     
  2. I think it's important to understand that nature is blind, and its definitely not perfect. If we leave things for nature to decide forever, we could potentially end up going extinct. It's important to correct the mistakes of nature and see if there are areas we could improve, as impressive as our biology is, it has a lot of room for improvement. To me that's our next step in evolution, and one day we could be immune to radiation, to cancer, to all diseases, things like down syndrome could be a thing of the past, the possibilities are endless.
     
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  3. I don't support it. It will eventually turn into a form of Nazism if we allow it to get a stronghold. Every supporter of eugenics that has actively pushed the practice politically and/or socially has been ravingly racist with few exceptions.

    That said, gene editing can meet all our needs as far as eliminating inherited diseases goes. Although it will likely be fairly risky for the next 100 or so years.
     
  4. Headspace

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    I don't know much about the subject, but I voted no. As a German I can say my country has had a dark past with it, but I think I'm able to talk from a more neutral point of view as well.

    Humans are already increasing their lifespans. Humans are already getting rid of many diseases. Society is already being academized.

    Despite not being illegal, that would without a doubt create a social stigma for those that suffer such a condition. They would be second-class humans. And while you might have good intentions, it would then be easier to make it illegal for a later government.

    As I said I'm not an expert, but I suppose the danger of a "super virus" is far more threatening than sporadic genetic diseases in the population. And look at this: In case a super pandemic strikes the earth, who would have created it? It would be us, not nature. We would have created it by using too much medicine, often in an overly preventative or exaggerated way.

    Let's not call it "mistakes" but "imperfections". Now, look at what the word "perfect" means. It always describes a form that is static. In grammar, the "perfect" is what has happened in the past and can't be changed anymore. Thus, imperfections are a necessary precondition for evolution. By correcting all imperfections you make yourself unable to evolve.

    Well, now, by reading this, my German heritage is coming through. Hallelujah, let's create the master race!
    Sorry, but I think visions of this kind are delusionary. They take away from the circumstance that mankind as a whole has a whole fucking lot of psychological issues that are hard, if not impossible to control. It is way too easy to dream up a future paradise. Instead of looking for a future paradise, look for the peace that you can find within yourself. Let's say that as long as websites like NoFap exist (because they have to, because there are people that fall for things as dumb as porn) we shouldn't even dream of being "superhumans".

    These are the only arguments that sound sensible to me so far. But this could be done by a birth control which is equal for everyone, it wouldn't have to be the eugenic way.
     
  5. I think human nature is far more complex than we assume.. so such engineering should be approached with caution. But one only need look to dog breeding to see that it is possible to 'unnaturally' select animals for certain traits...

    I am more concerned 'anti-scientific' nature of radical egalitarianism - attacking and suppressing emerging evidence that intelligence is largely inherited, for example...

    I am not however a genetic determinist - a hard working man of average intelligence can be a success and an intelligent man can be a ne're do well.
     
  6. I don't support eugenics. I think the greates crimes against humanity occur when humans think they could have heaven on earth or make this place a utopia by means of technology, genetics, or anything other than good old fashioned love. I also don't think the "overpopulation" excuse is valid when there's so much waste that goes on in the world. In my opinion the most undesirable world is the one where others are looked at as being undesirable and unworthy of being loved.

    I would rather die than live in such a world as that.
     
  7. WalkingForward

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    I strongly disagree with the idea of eugenics.

    Like others here have written, ideas like these lead nowhere good man. Even if it doesn't go as far as to Nazism, it's a judgemental and negative mindset to be stuck in.

    I wouldn't tell anyone not to have children, that isn't for me to decide. I don't know if I'll ever have children (I'm not worried about passing on "bad" genes, but I have psychological problems), however, I generally think people should have kids if they want and get the chance to. Our "overpopulation" wouldn't be a problem if we used our resources better.

    I would like us to be careful with gene editing in the future.

    I have a brother with high functioning autism. I'm sure that's been challenging for my parents, and it was at times challenging for me growing up with him. But if anything, it has ultimately made me stronger. My brother is intelligent and funny, he can have a hard time understanding others but he's kindhearted. I'm glad I have him as a brother.

    The world would be very boring if everybody were "perfect" clones. Please don't make the world boring.
     
  8. Headspace

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    Hm, I'm interested in whether you could show me the evidence. What comes to my mind is that it can only be evidence when the subjects of the study are children that have been separated from their parents early in their life and brought together later on (so you can identify the parents). Otherwise it might not be genetic but related to the upbringing of the children. Of course good parents will do the best in giving their own best to their children.

    Of course intelligence has to be inherited in some way, as humans as a species are, by (genetic) nature, more intelligent than monkeys. What I'm skeptical about, is the little word "largely".
     
  9. try googling what happens to scientists who publish evidence.. they are labeled 'supremacists' - James Watson had his career ruined for one comment..
    Not a level playing field for this sort of discussion.
     
  10. Headspace

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    Ah, yeah, I forgot about the ideologies we have around nowadays :) This doesn't have much to do with my comment, but you're definitely right about the "playing field"...
     
  11. Uh, no, nature already is making the mistake to little by little cut away the genetic marker to reproduce men and an overwhelming majority of women are being born over the centuries. And over a course of millions of years men could go extinct.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...icts-males-extinct--says-process-started.html

    Right now we have a wide range of genetic disorders that come from birth, like down syndrome, autism, cancer in children, etc.

    Nature is blind and random, and science can lead it into the right direction, sadly sci fi movies portray scientists as crazy and would eventually turn humans into zombies or whatever. Real life can be different, we can't think that something is inherently bad. Science is a tool, and whoever uses it determines where it goes, and this can be used for good.
     
  12. John84

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    Down syndrome happens when middle age women have children, Like 35+ age. By 40 years of age its almost 100% chance of down syndrome. Its important for women to have children while their young and not waiting a long time.
     
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  13. Star Lord

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    Natural selection should be all we need.

    Eugenics is no different to what Hitler wanted.
    The human race isn't meant to be perfect. It's meant to be flawed and diverse.
     
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  14. John84

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    We used to have a traditions, like arranged marriages, or the father would reject or accept a young man that wanted his daughter else chase him off and with threats and violence if necessary. Is that form of eugenics or violation of someones rights? It made sense, because sometimes young women don't make the best choices, they are often acting purely on the sexual attraction mechanism of natural selection but those men might not be able to actually provide resources. You can see that today, there is many single mothers that are attracted to "bad boys" get pregnant then that relationship ends and they can't get any resources from that man, so are needing to extract resources from tax payers in form of social benefits for their children.

    In an actual natural environment that can be very dangerous for a woman to have children with the wrong man, it could spell death, extreme poverty and shunning by the tribe, the rest of the tribe doesn't want to support her children.
     
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  15. it is interesting how we can talk about the excesses of the right- any time this subject comes up we go straight to 1933... but despite the millions, far more millions, killed in the name equality, we don't even question the premises of radical equality, which has caused quite a bit of damage and instability in the world. It seems we almost do self destructive things in the name of appearing 'equal' .
     
  16. WalkingForward

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    Let's clone you eugenics-supporters, because you are obviously the ultimate gentlemen. I bet your farts smell like roses and you get to impregnate a new woman every weekend.

    We sub-humans are not worthy of this existence made for the glorious human perfections like you. We sub-humans should be killed and made into soap.
     
  17. lol Human progress has never been easy. They suggest creating a device that you could communicate with people around the world in an instant instead of using birds carrying letters. Madness! Birds work just fine! Why do we need anything else!? The telephone was born.

    We can make vehicles that run so much faster than horses and get to places in shorter amount of time! Madness! Horses work just fine! We don't need anything else! Cars war born.

    We can heal the sick, they are not cursed, it is treatable and they can be as healthy as everyone else. Madness! Nature has chosen who lives and who dies so let them die! Vaccines, antibiotics, treatments were born.

    We can study genes and help humanity get smarter, faster, stronger, healthier, we can eliminate the imperfections of nature and create a new step in evolution. Madness! We humans are perfect just the way we are, let nature take its course!

    Its the same story every generation, the fear of change is an irrational human behavior, and I won't take part of it. Good day to you all :)
     
  18. The elite promote eugenics because they want to depopulate the earth and have the population at about 1 billion. I'm not making this up. Read up on Agenda 21 by the UN and their goal for world population by 2030.
     
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