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Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by Ryan_047, May 29, 2017.

  1. Ryan_047

    Ryan_047 Fapstronaut

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    So..Since I discovered NoFap I tried to abstain from masturbating.I managed to have 2 2-weeks streak,but the I relapsed.Not because I couldn't go further..but because I don't trust this thing 100%.
    Let me get this out if the way.I am not an addict.I don't watch porn..when I want to please myself I watch pictures or listen to sex sounds.But, normally I masturbate for 2-3 times a week.And I masturbate when I'm bored or I am really stressed/frustrated.
    Side note:I'm male,and 17 years old.
    Here are a few things that I don't understand and I need an answer for each one so I can decide if NoFap will help me or not:
    1.Will I experience problems with my.."thing" if I go hardcore for 90 days?I don't want that..
    2.Should I go 30,60,or 90 days on not masturbating?
    3.Is it really healthy to keep the sperm in me?It sounds kinda scary to not realease it in such a long period of time..so..will I experience biological problems?
    4.My thing will get affected if I do NoFap?I heard you can get prostate cancer if you stop masturbating..
    5.Is masturbation bad in itself?As I said above,I don't watch porn.So..the act is bad in itself?Am I supposed to masturbate regularly or never ever masturbate again?
    6.What is erectile disfunction?
    7.Are there doctors that support NoFap?I want links if so.
    8.Do non-addicts experience the same benefits?
     
  2. Looking at pictures and listening to sex sounds is the same as watching porn. I started off with the pictures too and then i moved on to the videos... Thats how it starts.

    1. Not masturbating has countless advantages actually. My ED used to be really bad I was fapping off every single day and I just felt numb below and it felt really weak and thin. But since doing nofap it has got a lot bigger again and its much thicker too!
    2. I’m doing 90 days the longer you do it the better the healing process will be.
    3. Actually I’m pretty sure that you will have much better orgasms and more ejaculation because you have not been using it as much. All the feeling and sensations should be much stronger because you wont be as worn out from all these repeated fap sessions which numb you up over time.
    4. Think about what you are saying. You know a LOT of guys go years without having sex do you see them dropping down dead? Take monks for example don’t they usually live long lives without ill health in most cases?
    5. In short doses and combined with real sex with a girl I guess its not that bad. But doing it chronically on your own will give you ED and other problems.
    6. Erectile dysfunction (ED), also known as impotence, is the inability to get and maintain an erection.
    7. I’m not sure about that, I saw a doctor for ED he had not heard of it before. But that does not mean that it does not work. Read the success stories on here. https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?forums/success-stories.24/
    8. I would say yes because we are only human after all.

    And by the way just adding on to question 7. I’m proof that nofap does work because like I said earlier prior to doing these 90 days I could not get very hard and it was just so weak and fragile. I’m only half way through and my erection’s are already stronger, harder, longer and if I really focus and get turned on I can get it up easily. Flash back to before I started and I could not do any of this it was like it was dead despite me having a high libido. That’s what happens when you let P and M desensitize you.
     
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  3. w95chris

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    You are not an addict?Right...You say you watch pictures or listen to sex sounds then if you are not addicted why do this?It is like saying i am not addicted to a drug but i do it for sport.You think 2-3 times a week is not addiction?Well i think you should reconsider this because if you m when you are bored or stressed then yes you are an addict.The addiction starts by M a bit and then increasing the times you fap. If you were not sure about it i honestly cannot understand why you stopped.The logical thing was to continue and see where it took you.

    1)No problems but maybe wet dreams,though they will go away after a while so don't worry and if you want to stop they are part of the journey
    2)How about you go forever without masturbating?How does that sound?I suggest you go 90 days at first and then IF you feel that you are cured you can masturbate again.I do not suggest it though because some brains take more time and if you are not healed bye bye progress.Also it could go out of control again so up to you.But i still have to say never again
    3)It is not healthy to release it that much.Keeping in it you will not cause anything.Your body needs to relearn to keep it inside it again so no problems there
    4)I don't know if i should laugh or something like that.I mean really?If that was the case everyone who stopped would have had prostate cancer.The answer is no it does not cause anything like that.
    5)Sure it is bad if you use it too much.I suggest never again but after you rebooted as i mentioned above you can in theory.I have not tried it nor have i any intentions to do it because i made it this far without it so going back in my old habits is a no.
    6)Check this out for info: https://www.nofap.com/glossary/
    7)I am not sure about that but i think some of them do and others say it does nothing.That is what i read online and i don't have any links nor have i visited any doc to tell you.If someone else has info then he can enlighten us
    8)If you are not an addict then i am not sure what can you experience.But trying it is a good thing for someone to find out.But in your case you are an addict so don't think the opposite

    I used to be you (as many of us here) and i kept telling myself that it was OK everyone does it so no reason to stop.Thank God i realized the opposite otherwise i would still be doing the same things without an ending
     
  4. Ester

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    No, Your "thingy" will not get damaged in any way, You will only see benefits, Your body keeps your "thingy" in shape via morning erections.
    Depends on you. Do as you wish.
    Yes, It is safe to not orgasm, besides the excess sperm gets released in some way anyway either in wet dreams or it gets reabsorbed, Your body also slows down the production of sperm after some time if you don't orgasm
    That thing only applies to old people who are in their 50's or 60's and frequent masturbation actually increases the risk of prostate cancer in young people. Don't believe me? Search it up on google. [stupid restriction won't let me post links]
    If you can, then quit masturbation forever.... Masturbation has no "benefits" as some articles on the internet may tell you.
    Search it on google, You'll get everything you need to know
    Unfortunately, I don't know but I'm 100% sure, there are doctors out there who support Nofap.
    Yes, you don't need to be an addict.
     
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  5. JamesRK

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    I'll preface this by saying that my views seem to differ from many people on this site, but on a forum about abstaining from PMO, you are going to be getting biased opinions. Some people are prone to expressing their experiences as universal, so be cautious. It really is up to you to decide what is best.

    Definitions of addiction can vary – and again you'll need to make your own decision on what constitutes an addiction – but a definition I like is "the repeated involvement with a substance or activity, despite the substantial harm it now causes, because that involvement was (and may continue to be) pleasurable and/or valuable." I've bolded a particular phrase because I think it is key; if something is not harming you or negatively impacting your life or the way you want to live it, it is not an addiction. (For example, you eat, breath, and read everyday, but no one is calling these addictions.) If you can masturbate 2 or 3 times a week (even if you use some pornographic material), fulfill your normal obligations to your satisfaction, be happy in general, and have meaningful relationships (including sexual relationships if you wish), I don't think there's a reason to consider you have an addiction or even a problem.

    That's not to say it can't develop into a problem, if you increase your use of PM to the point you are experiencing a drop in your quality of life, then there's a problem. I believe the most common problem is becoming so accustomed to porn and masturbating that one can no longer be satisfied in a normal sexual relationship. However, even in that case, total abstention from PMO doesn't have to be indefinite. In fact, this site doesn't advocate for permanent abstention from PMO, more often justing using it as a fix until one's brain is rewired.

    A lot of your questions seem to focus on what is best for your body, and unfortunately, I can't provide all those answers. I'm prone to believe that masturbation is healthy in moderation, perhaps healthier than total abstention. However, if you are looking for a more scientific/medical opinion, know that if you cherrypick research articles, you can make a pretty compelling side for either case. Make sure to do balanced research and check the sources of everything you look up. I'm sure there are doctors who support NoFap, and I'm sure many people here have amassed tons of literature than supports the idea, but know that these people may be carrying a bias – often either religious or personal – and you can just as easily find experts in support of masturbation.

    The two questions I would like to address:

    5. Is masturbation bad?
    Again, there are differing opinions on this, but if anyone gives you a definitive "yes" with no exceptions to this question, they are coming from an extremely biased perspective. If you don't subscribe to religious dogma and you remove extreme personal circumstances, there is no way to say that masturbation is entirely bad. However, if you masturbate to the point that it is interfering with your life, it can be.

    8. Do non-addicts experience the same benefits?
    It depends on what you are referring to as benefits, but it would again be ridiculous to answer this question with a definitive yes. If you compare what stopping will do to someone who casually masturbates compared to someone who masturbates for hours each day, the benefits are far greater for the second person.

    In closing, your skepticism is wise. You certainly may be able to benefit by eliminating PMO for a period of time, but it really is up to you to decide what is best for you. No two people are the same, and your experiences are unique. Hence, it would be unwise to let someone who doesn't know your circumstances to dictate your course of action.
     
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  6. You took the words out of my mouth. Addiction of any substance or act is very subjective and different from individual to individual... Just because you look at pictures and masturbate slightly regularly doesn't mean you're an addict, IMO, as long as the impulse to do it isn't ruining your quality of life.

    I'm curious, what exactly brought you to this site?... Why do you have the desire to stop masturbating?
     
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  7. 3nigma

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    Then what brought you here? You found something about nofap appealing or you wouldn't be here. So, why are you here?

    You may. This is called a flatline and is a normal part of the process. I know that people who PMO every day for too long are believed to develop PIED (Porn-Induced Erectile Dysfunction) but since you cannot develop PIED. Just don't let your porn consumption go up.
    That's up to you. I'm choosing to stop for life.
    It's fine. Your body periodically releases semen in the form of wet dreams.
    No.
    It's up to you.
    Erectile dysfunction is a state in which a man can no longer achieve an erection despite sexual arousal.
    Good question. No doctors support nofap to my knowledge. There's some science behind the concept of PIED and porn addiction but there's no science behind nofap, reboot, etc.
    No.
     
  8. "And I masturbate when I'm bored or I am really stressed/frustrated."
    You are runnign away from your emotions instead of confronting. Fapping is an escape for you. The opportunity here would be to learn to deal with your emotions. Otherwise you are a slave to them.

    "1.Will I experience problems with my.."thing" if I go hardcore for 90 days?I don't want that.."
    Then take it easy, get rid of fap and keep masturbating.

    "2.Should I go 30,60,or 90 days on not masturbating?"
    That is your choice, depends on what you want to achieve.

    "3.Is it really healthy to keep the sperm in me?It sounds kinda scary to not realease it in such a long period of time..so..will I experience biological problems?"
    You body will release sperm automatically through wet dreams. Or have sex. No need to fear.

    "4.My thing will get affected if I do NoFap?I heard you can get prostate cancer if you stop masturbating.."
    Bullshit. And if you are still doubting, just fap, porn is the biggest problem.

    "5.Is masturbation bad in itself?As I said above,I don't watch porn.So..the act is bad in itself?Am I supposed to masturbate regularly or never ever masturbate again?"
    Maturbating can still make you lazy, If you decide to keep going. Just take it easy, fap once in a week.

    "6.What is erectile disfunction?"
    It means that you penis will stop working. It happend the me ina relationship. When I wanted to have sex I couldn't get it up. (not just once happend multiple times.)

    "7.Are there doctors that support NoFap?I want links if so."
    Don't know sorry.

    "8.Do non-addicts experience the same benefits?"
    I do think you have a relatively small addiction / habit. Because you use to not feel these emotions. "And I masturbate when I'm bored or I am really stressed/frustrated."

    Still you're not obligated to do this. You are free to decide, but the fact that you asked this questions means that you noticed something, noticed a difference or a sort of unease. Whatever it is, try it another time.

    Keep us updated brother!

    Thomas
     
  9. pavloo91

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    OP: you may want to check yourbrainonporn.com - there are lots of articles there on abstinence from PMO and many references to actual scientific studies done on the topic as well as a very helpful FAQ section, where you will find answers to many questions regarding abstinence from porn.
     
  10. Ryan_047

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    @jarvyjarvison @Cmv120 because of the benefits.I've experienced anhedonia in the past and I read that NoFap can cure it.I don't fully feel emotions the way I used to,and the idea of feeling again..seems nice.
    @JamesRK thank you for your reply,it's helping me.
    @ThomasV Yeah,I remembered one time when I was in 6th grade when I just didn't masturbate for a long period of time(1-2 months I guess)..Not because I forced myself,but because I didn't have the need of doing it.And..when I did that,I noticed that I had increased self-esteem and was happy overall.Most of the girls in my class liked me for some reason,lol..Even tough I was pretty introverted(and I still am).I highly believe that there is room for more growth in my life,and I thought that maybe NoFap would help me.I need energy for developing new habits,but I don't have it..I just meditate for 20 minutes every day.
     
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  11. You're right you don't have to develop too many habits at once. I would suggest one (max 2) each month. And doing it 30 days without excuses. After 30 days it will a lot easier to take in other habits. So what I would recommend is figuring out the habit that would benefit you the most.

    What I mostly do is developing 1 habit each month and getting rid of 1 each month. (so 2 each month)

    Example are:
    Good habits (give you energy and time) implement these
    - Implementing morning & evening routine
    - Meditation
    - Eating Healthy
    - Running
    - ...
    Bad habits (rob you of energy and time) Get rid of thesse
    - Gaming
    - Drinking alcohol
    - Fapping
    - Eating bad food
    - Drinking soda's
    - Watching TV Shows
    - ...

    Now you decide what you want to get rid of first. Get rid of as much bad habits as possible and you will have a lot of energy. But remember not more than 2 each month. Except when you have a lot of time and nothing to do. Then 3-4 max.

    Good luck my friend!
    Thomas
     
  12. The Consigliere

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    You don't trust NoFap or you don't trust yourself?
     
  13. theMotivator

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    Man I just reached Day 90 I feel better than ever. My mind is much clearer, I can enjoy what I'm seeing everyday. I have not only beat the addiction of PMO, but also have changed as a person. I've had some weird occurrences like random ejaculations (preejaculations), but that was like after 20 - 30 days. It has stopped now. Don't believe that M and P is not harmful. It destroys you, even if you don't know it. Also don't believe that without masturbation you will get hard balls and they will hurt. First of all you have to understand why P and M is bad. If you're gonna do it only because it's a trend or to heal your self for a little time, there's no real purpose. When you go no PMO, you have to do it for real and forever, because PM is something that really destroys personality.
     
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  14. Ryan_047

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    One thing that I notice about most of users on this site is that they always interconnect porn with masturbation.And hell yeah,I agree..porn destroys you as a person..But masturbation itself destroys you?That's one of my biggest dilemmas.
     
  15. w95chris

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    Personally i think it destroys you when it gets out of control.What i mean is that sometimes you are addicted but you don't think like that.What i suggest is try it for lets say 90 days and see for yourself.If you are not addicted then this will be a piece of cake then on the other hand if you are it is going to be a bit difficult.No matter what we tell you here is not doing any good if you don't try it for yourself.Every brain is different and the only way to find the answer to your question is to try it yourself
     
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  16. theMotivator

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    I was addicted to P an M since I was 12. I got free from P with God's help when I was 17. Now I am 20. But since I thought that I have to release seed (because I thought it's dangerous to hold it for so long), I got addicted to M again... The thing is that I have never watched P since I was 17, I just M'd. It wasn't frequent, like once or twice a week, but I was feeling so guilty and bad. It also really influenced my mind in a bad way, because I couldn't control myself. So i turned into a better person by just M and not watching P, but it's still not the real thing. To become a normal person, you have to give up both of them.

    I think that there is no way that person cannot get addicted at least for a little bit by M or P. If it's an addiction, you cannot control it. It's all about dopamine. If you get a little bit of it, you are willing to get it more the next time. It ends with awful things, because normal things don't give you as much dopamine as you "need".
     
  17. JamesRK

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    Again, everyone is welcome to have their own interpretation of what an addiction is, and I don't want to start an argument or invalidate anyone's personal experiences. However, ninety days of abstinence to determine whether something is an addiction is not an effective measure. For example, I don't spend countless hours watching Netflix or eat copious amounts of junk food; neither of these habits – which I exercise in moderation – are negatively impacting me whatsoever. However, it would probably be challenging for me to give up either completely for 90 days, and the focus I would place on giving them up would probably end up consuming more time and energy than I would have spent on them anyway.

    That being said, there are people for whom masturbating is just another habit that is okay in moderation. Not everyone who masturbates is addicted, and there are plenty of "normal" people who live happy and healthy lives with masturbation as part of their routines. If it isn't inhibiting you from being the person you want to be or living life how you wish to live it, it's not a problem for you.
     
  18. w95chris

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    @Robis__ There is a thin line between being addicted again and controlling it. You can control it just like you control yourself throughout the journey but this could also go sour if you are not cured or if you cannot control yourself. Don't get me wrong I am not saying you should fap after some time all I am saying is in theory you can fap but that doesn't necessarily mean that you should try it or that you won't become an addict again

    @JamesRK If you think that ninety days or so is a long time then to me that looks like you have no intention to try it and also that you made up your mind already. Nofap is not a magic potion that you drink it and then after let's say a week you are cured. Fapping is bad because if you haven't learned to control it will become a major issue. From what you said in the beginning I personally believe that you are unable to control it. You really should have a try at it so you can see for yourself if it works or not. In the end it is up to you if you don't think you are addicted then okay keep on doing what you did and if it turns out good then great if it goes out of control then you should try something else. Either way I am curious to see where it leads you
     
  19. pavloo91

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    Porn is poison for sure. There's no doubt about it.

    When it comes to masturbation, this varies. Animals are seen masturbating for instance, which shows that it is indeed natural behaviour. On the other hand, we as humans are more than animals. Just try to picture yourselves masturbating. When you think about it, if it doesn't look outward pathetic, it looks... funny. Besides, take your male role model - whoever it is: your father, the Pope, James Bond or Aragorn - and picture them masturbating. It just doesn't click to me.

    Plus if someone isn't addicted to masturbation, they will also surely experience some benefits from abstaining, even if it's improved willpower "only" - because with willpower you can go a long way.

    Everyone's got their own path. Nevertheless, it's good to talk about it because it can sometimes open our eyes.
     
  20. Rob_theArtist

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    I think you should give NoFap a try, even if you don't trust it because you will learn more about yourself along the journey. Relapsing is part of the process, just get back up and learn from that and take steps to improve. Also don't worry about trusting NoFap, only trust and believe in yourself, I struggled with that problem too. You can do this, I believe in you and don't believe those people that says Porn and Masturbation is good for you it's not, it only makes you dead inside.
     

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