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Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by We CAN Do This!, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut

    JUST RELAPSED AGAIN. FUCK YOU BRAIN, JUST FUCK YOU.

    I hate myself honestly why do people still have hope in me. I'll never do it. An 11km walk today and boom ruined the evening totally by edging for an hour and then came the O.

    Every time I'm alone I relapse. I can't play video games unless I am in my room though, and when my brother is out, I'm alone in there and IT ALWAYS FUCKING LEADS TO THIS.

    I'm always positive on this website but I'm at the fucking end. this is too much. I'm never like this on here but I CAN'T DO IT.

    ALL I WANT IS TO BE ALIVE AND HAPPY AND I KEEP SCREWING IT UP. WHY CANT I DO IT!!

    I JUST WANT TO DO AMAZING THINGS AND HAVE AMAZING EXPERIENCES BUT HERE I AM SAT WITH BOXERS FULL OF THAT VILE SUBSTANCE IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER SCREEN.

    AARRGHH HELPPPP
     
  2. Bruh, you need to calm the fu** down and start taking notes. Whenever you relapse write down the reason you did and what caused it in the first place. For instance, you said you end up relapsing when you're alone then you need to stop being alone and make yourself busy bruh. Stop being a lil b*tch about it and stop acting like a slave, be the fkin master of your inner demon and become a true alpha. Come on bro u got this, of u need help don't hesitate to pm me PEACE
     
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  3. I think you're still living very much under the control of fantasy. You're still trying to race against the "perfect you" and you're comparing your current life against a "perfect life". This "perfect you" and "perfect life" are fantasies; unrealistic expectations about yourself and life that do nothing but rob you of any real happiness.
     
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  4. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut


    I know, I'm 16 and I'm a mess. I can never bring myself to just leave the room, because whenever I see a trigger I always just think 'right I'll ignore it and show how strong I am' and it's obvious how it always ends.

    I started walking about 20-30km per week a few weeks ago, and when I started walking I thought I'd cracked it. i thought I'd finally got myself together and actually started to become a healthier, better person, but here I am.

    I keep telling myself that this time I'm gonna do it but now I just know I won't, and in another three days it will probably end just the same way and I'll stay in this loop and there's no point. I'm sorry for this massive reply but I feel like I need to say how I feel sometimes.

    I need to man up about this but, well, I just don't know how.
     
  5. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut

    true, but what can I do about it? What steps can I take in order to get rid of this fantasy and start improving the person that I actually am?
     
  6. Well the first thing you can do is accept the person you are right now. You can accept that you have strengths and weaknesses like all of us and like the rest of us you're worthy of respect. Stop talking shit about yourself. Encourage yourself. Don't let a set back rob your life of peace and joy. Accept that life, like the weather, has different seasons. Sometimes life's crazy fun, other times it's windy, and sometimes it's a shit show.
     
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  7. Listen.. you got this. God chose u to stop PMO for a reason bro ur a young breed like me u should be glad ur trying to stop at an early age ur 16 I'm 17 we are fortunate to trying to stop PMO and we ain't following the majority crowd who masturbates in for the of their pixel screens, we go out for the real thing bruh! Now quit feeling sorry and pick ur ass up and don't binge and start all over. U can message me anytime mate
     
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  8. masterjedi

    masterjedi Fapstronaut

    It's not about suddenly "stopping forever", it's about the journey and desire to improve. I've PMO for over 30 years with many hardships and struggles along the way. I've never even gotten to the month mark of stopping, but I continue to try and make the attempt.

    Others quit and never go back on their first attempt.

    It's not about how fast you get there, or what's waiting on the other side. It's all about the climb and the journey, and the desire to become a better person as a result. Walking 20-30k is a great accomplishment, I know I couldn't do that.

    Keep it up and you'll be amazed what you learn along the way.
     
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  9. NZT 48

    NZT 48 Fapstronaut

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    I have been through exactly the same thing as you before. What worked for me, after each relapse (which I tell myself would be the last one) I write down EXACTLY what caused the relapse and then brainstorm ideas to counter it. Through this, eventually after countless relapses I had exhausted all possibilities, and I now have complete control, ever since joining this website. :) Every possible thing that could cause a relapse for myself I found a counter to, and you should do the same. I am 19, you are 16, we are very fortunate to be getting rid of PMO now in our lives, as this society has tried to 'normalize' it to gain more profit from pornography, the same way with junk food and cigarettes, which also have bad consequences. Remember most people are addicted to PMO but are not here on this website because it's supposed to be 'normal'. If we can remove this early on in our lives, we can become the pioneer's of the next generation. It is IMPORTANT you don't give up, no matter how many times you mess up.
    Some examples are;
    After I relapsed due to the 'explore' tab on instagram (which caused me to eventually go on porn hub) - I deleted the instagram app and my account.
    After I relapsed due to a twitter post (which also caused me to go on porn hub) - I muted several words on twitter
    After I relapsed due to 'edging' - I joined this website and I made myself a phrase 'NO EDGING' that repeats in my head during the day (still need to conquer this at night time)
    It is also common for the urges to come on the instant you are alone, therefore;
    You see a trigger? GET your ASS out of that room, and go on another walk. Each time you feel a strong urge, go and try to beat your walking record. (I can't see you relapsing on the middle of street)
     
  10. masterjedi

    masterjedi Fapstronaut

    I'm 43 and started PMO addiction when I was 12... trust me, try get rid of it now and you will be better off in the long run. I couldn't orgasm during sex and always needed to use my hand to finish. Death-grip is a true side-effect.

    Nobody wants to deal with that in their 20-30s...
     
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  11. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut


    Thanks mate! Genuinely means a lot. I've had a good 8 hours sleep now and I'm going to get straight back into the game. I'll try and take another 11km walk today and also do a workout. I can do this!
     
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  12. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut


    Thanks for the advice. It's really made me feel better about myself. I'm no going to stop working to improve myself ever, and I may even go for another walk today and try to beat my record.

    Thanks!
     
  13. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut


    This is some really great advice, and I really appreciate that you took the time to write this all out for me!

    That's a really good way of preventing future relapses and fighting urges, and like you, I took steps yesterday to prevent relapses on social media for the first time.

    I ended up searching obscene terms on twitter to try and find a 'decent' twitter account (which lead to be relapsing to the pictures on the account. What did I do? Well, I deleted twitter from my phone. I will now only use Twitter on my laptop, which I only ever use when I'm in the living room with my parents.

    I also went onto restrictions on my phone and removed access to Safari so I can't browse the internet at all, and no websites can be accessed via other apps. I then changed my restrictions pass code, and did so with my eyes closed, so now I cannot change it back which is what I end up doing in a relapse.

    As for more walks, I agree. In fact, I'm going to workout and try and beat my walking record today! And no, I don't think I could really relapse outside the supermarket or near the canal. I'd think there would be one or two objections to that by passers-by!

    Thanks for all of this, really appreciate it, and thanks again for giving me all of that information out of your own time :)
     
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  15. vulture175

    vulture175 Fapstronaut

    @I Need Help : You relapsed because you wanted pleasure. Transfer the pleasure from PMO into something else. If you can do that, you don't want to relapse.
     
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  16. We CAN Do This!

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  17. samnf1990

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    If you "can't play computer games unless I'm in my room" then take your computer/console downstairs into the living room. PMO happens alone and is a sad, solitary thing. If you are around people when you game, you can't PMO. If there is no space in the living room, then you have two options...

    1-cut down on, or stop, gaming. Maybe reward yourself with gaming after a 2 or 3 day streak of no PMO. Limit yourself to an hour or 2 and ask a parent/sibling to come get you at a certain time because you don't want to spend too long on it (or if you are open about nofap then just be straight with them)

    2-only game socially and in person. Gaming online with your friends is not as real as on-the-couch social gaming. Just as P is not as real as an in-the-flesh sexual interaction. In both cases, the IRL interaction with flesh and blood people is more enjoyable and more valuable.

    One thing to remember is that video games are built in such a way as to exploit and shortcut the brain's chemical reward system, just as P is. The walks are a great way of naturally releasing pleasure hormones in a way that you really earn them. Maybe suggest to friends that you try board game nights etc. They require longer-term strategy and the rewards of winning/making progress etc are harder earned and more infrequent.

    To mirror the sentiment of those above: don't beat yourself up about a reset, but rather, resolve to make changes. Plan intelligently. You are already willing, in theory at least, to give up P, which is a pleasurable and enticing thing. If other pleasurable and enticing things are serving as triggers to reset and relapse then why not cut them out too?

    Good luck
     
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  18. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut

    Thank you for this, you made some really good points. Great idea to limit video games. Although to be honest, I don't actually game that much at all. I only play on them every couple of days anyway, but it is usually during the day when I am alone, and for quite a few hours, leaving me vulnerable to relapses.

    To begin with, I'm going to start limiting the games to only play them in the evening, not the daytime (because my brother is home in the evening and we share a room, so no chance of a relapse while he is in the same room), and also to take days off from gaming.

    Also, thanks for writing all of this for me, really appreciate it :)
     
  19. blackboy

    blackboy New Fapstronaut

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    I almost relapsed yesterday but I didn't. I had a serious fight between my evil mind and good mind. The evil one told me to masturbate but the good one told me not to do it. The evil one started giving me reasons like: you can always start a new streak, masturbating just ones won't cause any damage, May be masturbation is not the cause of your problems. Then my good mind counter everything the evi mind told me by telling me that: hey you, don't believe him, that he always tell you, how many times have you intended to masturbate just ones and ended up masturbating through out the day. My good mind made me see good reasons why I need not to see reasons to relapse, and luckily for me I didn't.
    I think it is all in our head. Setting a strong and clear goals helps a lot. Before relapsing, think about the benefits you set to achieve. I think that has been keep me going. Am now experiencing the most intense flatlines right now but with my motivation, I will not give in.
    I have said to myself that even if abstaining from PMO will kill me then let me die. The life I was living in the past prior PMO had no positive Impact on me, so why should I keep indulging in the act.
    Before my current streak, I attempted on streaks in the past and relapsed within a short time. Most times I beat myself up because of it. The good news is that relapse also helps, it made me understands my triggers and how to flight it. Despite all my relapses in the past, i have experienced tremendous change in my life. I think this is because I always start up immediately after a relapse. Each time I relapse I don't give in to PMO for the rest of the day , I just pick myself up and start immediately that same minute. Right now am on day 6 but am doing very good, maybe because I have gone on 30 days with just not more than 4 relapses...
    Please stay strong. The grass is greener on the other side.
     
  20. We CAN Do This!

    We CAN Do This! Fapstronaut

    Thanks replying with some really useful advice buddy. Sadly, I relapsed an hour before a read this. Wish I hadn't now.

    However, I'm not making no progress. Every time I relapse to any kind of porn, I block access to the platform on which I view porn. A couple of days ago, Twitter was deleted off my phone, and today YouTube. I have disabled installing apps in restrictions and I don't know the password any more for the restrictions so I have no chance of re-installing the apps.

    The only other potential relapse material app I have on my phone now is Facebook, and I dare say that will also be deleted eventually.

    Kind of sad though. i really enjoy using twitter and tweeting people while going on journeys etc. and getting involved in events happening on twitter. But I guess if I'm going to use it to relapse then I'm gonna have to face the consequences.

    Soon I won't have anything to relapse to!

    Thanks for all your advice!
     

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