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If you edge to the point where a little bit of cum leaks out, is that a relapse?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Runtilmylegsdropoff, Jul 23, 2017.

  1. Drew140

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  2. Buddhabro

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    You don't have to call it a relapse if you don't want. The idea, however, is to not engage in any PMO behaviors.
    You may not have watched P and M'd to Orgasm, so technically golden; but dopamine surges and reinforcing neural pathways to PMO is not helpful to accomplishing a full and complete reboot and recovery.
    Fight on, and strive to overcome your challenges.
     
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  3. Drew140

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    Decision from the Russian judge? No
     
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  4. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    I guess I should clarify. I'm not addicted to porn and have no problem avoiding it. Just no longer want to fap. I actually edged only because I was anticipating meeting up with my FWB but ended up not meeting with her.
     
  5. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Aww man, you're a fundie.
     
  6. Spiff

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    Personally, I would consider it a relapse. I'm keeping my hands completely off if I have an erection. I think most people here abstaining from masturbation would consider that a relapse.

    One thing you could do, since you seem to have kind of a custom reboot going on, is just change your counter to say "meeting my goals"
     
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  7. Man I'm just answering the title. The goal of NoFap is to abstain from PMO. Its up to you to reset or not I'm just saying what I would do if I were in your situation.
     
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  8. Buddhabro

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    So you're not addicted to any sexual behavior that negatively affected your life ?!? Then what are you doing here? Posting about a relapse that you never had because you don't need to change anything?!?
    If you're trying to reboot by abstaining from MO, then the answer would be determined by whether you think that the release of semen prior to ejaculation is part of orgasm.
    I would say it's part and parcel of the whole O experience; complete with a dopamine surge. You can reset the counter or accept that the time frame for your reboot may be delayed.
    Every time you do edge, you strengthen the addictive pathways and feed your brain the essential thing it needs to keep you addicted.
     
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  9. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Just addicted to M. But I'm much improved after two long streaks, one of 96 days, and one of 89 days. I'm definitely not how I used to be last year.
     
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  10. Buddhabro

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    So you M once every 90 days on average ? No edging ?
     
  11. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Something like that. It gets real tough around 90 days. I haven't edged enough times to affect my progress, but obviously it isn't a good/ideal thing to do at all.
     
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  12. Buddhabro

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    Every time you edge it means you need to reset. The streaks are inspiring but not really a true reboot.
    90 days no MO and no edging are the rules. Cheat for building your confidence, but know that it's not a real reboot.
    Good streaks anyway. Time to refine your efforts to improve your results.
    I'm rooting for you.
     
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  13. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Okay, let's put it this way, if last night I had said screw it, a little bit came out I might as well wank til full Mount Vesuvius eruption since it is a relapse anyway...
     
  14. Drew140

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    That's what I would have done. Just erupted and started fresh.
     
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  15. You are right. It hurts your recovery less to just masturbate and cum than it does to edge and not cum. It might seem counterintuitive, but those are the facts. You can read up on it if you wish. But I get the impression that you started this thread to get agreement from others that you don't need to relapse. But the message throughout is to reset and I concur.
     
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  16. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    But this guy wrote:

    I'm actually studying neuroscience in graduate school, and one of the first things you'll learn about the reward system is that the dopamine actually floods the system in anticipation of the reward - not after the reward itself. So from a neurobiological perspective, edging for 15 minutes is much worse than just rubbing one out in a few minutes. If you think about it honestly, what you're addicted to is the PM, not the O.

    BUT… I think its also crucial to recognize that just because you lose focus and start edging for a minutes, you shouldn't follow through because "well fuck it I'm already edging I might as well finish and start over". There is a HUGE amount to be gained from standing up to and resisting the urge even in those moments.
     
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  17. Chris14

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    So you say you're here to simply to stop masterbation(jerking on your dick) and then you are asking if because you masterbated (jerked on you dick) is considered a relapse. So if I'm an alcoholic and I go drink alcohol is that a relapse?? Next you asked the question yet every reply you have is just telling everyone why they are wrong and that somehow rubbing on your dick and masterbating are two different things. So it sounds like you mind is already made up. Which really to try and justify why edging is ok is a relapse mindset just in itself. I say all this because I spent a year in that stage I'd edge until I PMOed.
     
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  18. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Not trying to "justify" anything; it's clear by the opinions here that people don't see things in a uniform manner. Just trying to get people's perspectives on what does/does not constitute a relapse according to them.
     
  19. Bel

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    Bwhahaha well why don't you just change it to porn without masturbation and masturbation without orgasm bc they both sound ridiculous. Dude if anticipation alone of getting your freak on can't keep your hands off yourself, it totally sounds like lots of work left to do.
     
  20. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    Wow. Lol, honey, you're actually mocking me? I have no problems getting a woman off. You wish the guy you're with could say the same.
     

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