When is it a mortal sin? (Your opinion)

So at least you have revealed your true opinion about the Pope Francis.
By the way, if you don't recognise the current Pope Francis you are really a schismatic.

 

@Mr Eko is giving the teachings of the church. The issue isn't whether PMO is a grave sin. The issue is whether some people can give full consent of the will. It should be obvious from the term 'full consent' that less than full consent is possible. When this is the case it doesn't make PMO not a sin. It makes it a venial sin for that person. We are to stop all sin, mortal and venial.

 

from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed," and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith." This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.

Doubting the infallibility of teaching ex cathedra - ,Amoris Laetitia, of the Pope Francis you doubt or don't recognise a basic Catholic dogma. Maybe you are not a Catholic any more.

 

I am working on a nurse on a psych ward right this moment... there are people here who can not give full consent to many of their behaviors. And some can. I have heard pedophiles justify their behaviors of molesting children as venial on the same grounds you are justifying PMO. What about sadochists that are "addicted" to hurting people for sexual pain. No one is born "addicted". They start with a behavior slowly and work it up. I will say it again as a psych nurse BSN RN. Very few qualify as being without capacity to overcome this. If you can ovecome this, you are giving consent when you act out. Do not stretch this teaching to justify otherwise able men to believe God will not see their sin as mortal. Also Mr Eko is dead wrong on divorced recieving communion. Here is an article to that I think is unrefutable on the subject. http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...on-divorcedremarried-not-evan-pope-can-change

 

How can be compared an article with official teaching ex-cathedra in the exhortation?

I can give a link to another article either:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...take-communion-if-you-feel-at-peace-with-god/

or better - a new document, Criteria for the Application of Chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia, which has been published by the Vatican newspaper

http://ms.maltadiocese.org/WEBSITE/...for the Application of Chapter VIII of AL.pdf

 

You mean "ex cathedra". It has only been used twice. Once for the perpetual virginity of Mary and again by JP2 that there will never be female priests. The thing about AL is not that it directly says it. He tip toes around it and then doesn't answer any questions people have to clarify it. He loves playing obscure politian. Bad bishops. Bad pope. Turbulent times. Nothing new...

 

Phillipians 2:12 "work out your salvation through fear and trembling"

 

Vatican I's definition concerning the exercise of
papal infallibility:

". . . the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is,
when, acting in the office of shepherd and teacher of all
Christians, he defines, by virtue of his supreme apostolic
authority, doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by
the universal Church, possesses through the divine assistance
promised to him in the person of St. Peter, the infallibility
with which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to be endowed
in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals; and that such
definitions of the Roman Pontiff are therefore irreformable
because of their nature, but not because of the agreement of
the Church." [First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ]

some more you can read here:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/ORDIN.TXT

 

According to your definition, what is infallible in the teaching of Popes, only two things were infallible - one dogma and a statement.
concluding, all that wrote and said Popes JP2 (except for female priests)and Benedict XVI are only private utterances and letters like my parish priests homilies, so all this is not sure, maybe they, the Popes erred?

 

Thinking ex-cathedra we think infallible. See my previous post.

 

I agree we work into our habits. We likely had full consent of the will when we started PMO. But each time we indulged we weakened our will. This is basic moral theology.

There may be other people who aren't committing a mortal sin when doing a grave act. Again, that doesn't make the sin not a sin. It just has to do with their personal culpability. That isn't outrageous. That is the Catholic Faith.

Also when we PMO we are consenting. But a mortal sin isn't consent but 'full consent'. The adjective has a purpose and meaning.

No one has said PMO isn't a grave sin that we don't have to fight. If you don't want to receive after you PMO then don't. I don't either. But I don't think you can say it is a mortal sin for everyone. That isn't the Catholic Faith.

 

This has been a really interesting thread. Personally speaking, I have been deluding myself. I have been saying, "Well I'm addicted, so as long as I 'believe' it's wrong, I can still receive Holy Communion."

When I go to confession, I'm truly penitential, but then I sin almost immediately again. I understand this is an "addiction" and is a very grave matter, but beating our sin is what Christ is calling us to do in order for us to be in full communion with him.

Two things I have come to realize.....
1. Addiction is being possessed by evil. This addiction causes effeminacy, which is a mortal sin. When I am in the depths of the addiction, it's as if I'm being held by an "unclean spirit." I can rationalize all I want by using the excuse that I'm an addict, but at the end of the day, it is up to me to beat it, and that starts by accepting my sinfulness and striving to make reparations to our Lord Jesus Christ. Fighting a demon that has held me down for the better part of 35 years is going to be monumental, I realize this now. In my past, it was more of a casual attitude. God is purifying me through fire, meaning he expects me to struggle and suffer through this pain. My reward will be eternal salvation. I wish I had know this back when the constant mantra feeding me was, "If it feels good, it's OK."

2. Receiving the Most Holy Communion in the state of mortal sin, will do nothing but compound the sin of PMO. Yes, I have read the "allowance" of the Catechism, but the later Catechisms have much ambiguity. The Baltimore or better yet Council of Trent Catechisms are clearer on this point. If you relapse, you have entered into a state of mortal sin and need to do penance to get back to the state of grace. This is a new way of looking at this for me. I will now choose not to go to communion if I haven't confessed my sins before doing so. I wish priests were ready to hear confessions before all masses, but usually our parish has it once a week. As my faith deepens, I want to be congruent with my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

The addictive element, if real, is for God mitigate the severity of our sins and judge us on. One should always exercise prudence and caution in respect to the Most Blessed Sacrament, and if there is a doubt of mortal sin, refrain until going to Confession.

I think the more important issue on this post, though, is that it's missing the real issue: We aren't here to excuse ourselves or put off making difficult decisions. We are here to acknowledge that porn and masturbation aren't good things, they are harmful and better done without, and support each other in quashing those habits.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with CalmBrother. Whereas this thread has been interesting, it does no good for those of us searching for consolation among our Roman catholic brethren. To me the point of this forum is for us to support and pray for each other, not enjoin diatribes over one's interpretation of when it is permissible to receive Holy Communion or not. As a person who is in recovery from several addictive behaviors, including PMO, I don't believe that Satan is responsible for the many times and ways in which I act out; I have a compulsive/addictive personality that was formed in a home where I was physically and emotionally abused by my parents and where I was forced to hide my same-sex attraction. Even though I have been in therapy for a couple of decades now, am on medication to help with my depression and to reduce my compulsivity, and have come out as a side-B bisexual, I still have those moments when stress, anxiety, or loneliness lead me into temptation. And when I fall into temptation, I know I have sinned, and I go to confession as soon as is possible. But Holy Mother Church also teaches that if a person is truly contrite for what they have done and is unable to receive absolution prior to attending Holy Mass, especially on a Sunday or Holy day of Obligation, that sinner can still receive Holy Communion as long as their intention is to go to confession as soon as possible afterward. And for me sometimes that "as soon as possible" can take several days due to my work schedule and to the fact that some of the priests who live about me to whom I have gone to confession in the past have been less than kind in the confessional when I bring up any type of sexual sin, so I need to drive a bit to a parish where I know a priest who is much more consoling and is more the model of in persona Christi when I confess to him. And, no, he's not a soft priest; he's like Jesus when he was confronted by the adulterous woman; he is concerned for my soul and urges me to sin no more by asking me offer up more of my free time to the Blessed Mother by often requiring that I pray the rosary a certain number of times as my penance. He is to me the model of what we should be to each other here on this forum. We should be concerned for the salvation of each other's souls. But that isn't done by cramming passages from the Bible, the CCC, the Church fathers, and the popes down one another's throats. It is done by accepting ourselves and each other as sinners, encouraging each other to avoid temptation, and praying for each other. That is what we should be doing on this forum, and if someone cannot do that, then they should not be posting here, but somewhere else where their hurtful words will not lead other souls into discouragement.