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It is better to MO than to PMO

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by EoT23, Aug 2, 2014.

  1. EoT23

    EoT23 Fapstronaut

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    So I had a couple of discussions with different people dealing in addiction recovery, one was a trained psychiatrist and the other a counselor. I brought up the topic of PMO and they both told me that it is better to MO than to PMO. The P brings in all of the addiction related symptoms that are being measured in peoples brains. I do not know exactly why this is but I suspect it is because it is an outside substance. But all of the studies related to S an P addiction, P is almost always the most destructive factor (some people have chronic M all by itself) and is the main cause of all the S related problems.

    What this means to most people, and to me, is that it is better to MO than to PMO. I always believed that the two were linked together and could not be separated the two- maybe the addiction was that bad. And I have found out while MO brings similar feelings of shame, guilt and exhaustion, it is nowhere near as intense as the symptoms of PMO. P is the factor that is like a drug. MO still needs to be controlled and lessened and hopefully disposed of, but P is the most dangerous part of the equation. I had gone a while without P, and I was lapsing again and only briefly viewed P in the lapse, then walked away from it, but that brief viewing of P had spiked the reaction in my brain to a soaring height. I was able to break out of the lapse after a prayer.

    Point being, if you think you are going to be out of control, and not be able to make it- avoid the P part of PMO. PMO is the dangerous compound that causes most all of the drug related problems in your brain and body.

    Enough of my talking; what do you think about all this? Agree, Disagree? I want to hear what you have to say.
     
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  2. IWantABetterLife22

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    Yes, I agree that P is the most dangerous part. I only do the PM part because I have a girlfriend who wouldn't be ok with a sexless relationship. It's up to you honestly. However, be wary because MO without P, to the addicted brain (not saying you're addicted but just in general), might make you want to view P. But if you're not addicted (only you can make that call), just MO should be fine.
     
  3. dasdasdas

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    I don't agree with that. I think P without MO would be much better than MO without P. The thing that does the most damage here is M not P.
     
  4. LustFREE

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    Were either of them addicts? Did either really know or was it just "professional training". While it can be easily justified that MO is the "lesser evil", they really are linked. Yes- eliminating the P from the equation is a good starting point for a heavy addict (actually a great starting point) but, the greatest level of true intimacy, self-LESS-ness is eliminating both PMO and MO and only offering yourself (and your "O's") to your significant other. It's not easy but it can be done-
     
  5. ReallyWannaLive

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    I agree that masturbating to porn is worse than masturbating without porn. I feel that PMOing is more like having a relationship with a sex figure, while MO is more about having a relationship with yourself (I hate both) but if I were forced for the rest of my life to do one or the other - I'd prefer MO. I can remember most of the images I've seen with porn. With just MO, I do unfortunately have bad thoughts come into mind, but it is nothing like the rush I get when I watch porn and MO. PMO is virtual prostitution.

    I think one problem with yielding to just MO when tempted is that it makes it easier to succumb to PMO later. This is definitely how it is for me. Back in the day when I just couldn't handle the cravings to PMO, I would just MO thinking it would take care of the urge. It only made it worse, actually. So yes, I do think PMO is worse, but eventually I have found that they are two peas in a pod for me. I can't have one without the other. So it's better to stop both.
     
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  6. I have to fully agree,excellent post.I have tried to cut off PMO,to which have gone months without.I then swicthed my addiction from porn to masturbation until I got access to porn in which I felt worse.Viewing porn then MO to it had more intense feeling to it than using my imagination and fantasy.Its like MO is smoking weed for me and then PMO is like taking meth a more potent form of drugs so I just decided to quit both instead.
     
  7. EoT23

    EoT23 Fapstronaut

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    To address what everyone is saying yes MO could lead to P, but if we are concerned about PMO, we already know that it could lead to P. Either is bad, and one in terms of addiction is lesser than the other- but MO alone should be used with caution if you feel like you are spiraling out of control, and you are conscious of this happening to you. It is better to MO then to PMO.

    PMO, because an outside substance is involved, could be dragged out for hours for everything to be over with. Their is a greater onslaught to the senses, more time is consumed, and the withdraws are hardly comparable in there intensity.

    By taking this practice into consideration, I believe people who are coming out of there addiction will be made more conscious of their choices. If one feels like they are on edge, they can MO instead of PMO, and not only see that what they chose was a better route in breaking their addiction pattern, but also see in retrospect how their urge to MO could be altered by replacing it with another behavior entirely.

    This can widen the spaces between lapses of PMO and MO, until that person can stabilize themselves without either.
     
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  8. EoT23

    EoT23 Fapstronaut

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    To speak up again on, I think it is very important that we reiterate that P of PMO is the most addictive part of the equation. Research all the articles on P and sex addiction and P stands out as main factor that is chemically altering our brains in a large portion of addiction cases.

    We have been programmed by P-Culture to consider S an P the same. If we want to be free we have to redefine ourselves and separate our sexual urges from PMO. PMO is what has got the nation on lockdown. PMO is what is destroying human sexuality. PMO is what is being slang across the internet and media by P-pushers. They want you to think MO and PMO are one in the same so they can trap you into watching what they have produced. They want you to confuse urges towards S as urges towards P so they can make a profit.

    Do not fall for this trap. You cannot free yourself if you believe this. I see many people who are rebooting going crazy because they define there sexual urges as automatically related to PMO and they are not.
     
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