Porn Isn't The Bad Guy

Porn is just as bad as any other addiction.They need to show a movie in schools about the dangers of pmo.

 

You have only overcome the truth till now.

 

Dude I'm 100% percent sure you work for the porn industry and you are one of their advocates you came to this site and this forum to bash people and defend porn. Porn is evil without porn no one was going to be addicted, twisted or perverted. You arguments are weak.

 

This is an interesting topic is porn evil? I've seen the arguments made comparing drugs to porn. Are drugs evil? If so then why? Because it destroys lives? A tornado destroys lives is a tornado evil? Cancer destroys lives is it evil?

Now granted I'm comparing a natural disaster and an illness to a man made creation. Which is kinda like comparing apples to watermelons.

Good and bad are all subjective ideas we can all sit in a room and give out opinions about what is good and bad and at the end of the day have no idea what good and bad is because there is no set definition of it the ideas are very abstract.

So let's consider that porn is not inherently evil or good it just exists. First we need a definition of what pornography is. I'll use the legal definition of pornography which is stated as follows

The representation in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.

An argument for art. If books, photographs, films and magazines are considered art then any of the art forms above that has content made with the intent of arousing sexual interest is also art. Art is generally not seen as inherently evil by consensus therefore it is not the art medium that is used it is the fact that it contains sexual behavior to arouse sexual interest.

So if content that is created specifically to induce sexual arousal is the issue let's examine that.

Who is at fault? The creators of the content? The performer/s of the content or the consumers of the content? because we just established the medium isn't at fault.

If the creators did not create the sexually explicit content then the performer/s wouldn't have made the content and the consumers wouldn't have consumed the content. Therefore the content wouldn't exist.

However, if the consumers did not ask for the content then creators would not have created it and the performer/s would not exist.

Conversely if the creators would create content then performers would exist if the consumers asked for it.

Consider pornography exists due to the consumers wants. A demand has been created which requires a supplier. pornography would not exist if consumers did not want the content therefore the creators and the performer/s would not exist and are not at fault since their existence is dependent upon the consumer.

Suppose the consumer uses the content then develops personal problems attributed by the content consumed. For all problems the consumer has there exists Something/someone at fault.

Consider the content consumed is at fault If the content is at fault then the consumer did not possess the ability to use the content. This means the content desired the consumer therefore creating the consumer.

But this is a contradiction because the consumer created a want for the content which brought into existence the performer/s and creators therefore the consumer is at fault.

However consider the content exists due to the creators. Then this implies the creators created a demand of consumers to supply their content. Therefore the performer/s and the consumer exists due to content and the content exists due to the creators

If content is consumed and the consumer suffers from personal issues due to content then the creators are at fault since they created both content and consumer

Hmmm... so this means that what it really boils down to is who created who.

Did the consumer create the creators that made content and performer/s exist?

Or did the creators create the content that made the consumers and performer/s exist?

In conclusion

Pornography in and of itself is not inherently evil. What makes people believe it is evil is the adverse affects that is attributed to the afflicted individual. However an argument could be made on both sides to determine who is at fault for creating the content in the first place.

I think most believe the creators are the ones at fault while the OP believes the consumers created it and is their fault

I am not advocating that one side is right or wrong. this was just my way of breaking the concept down and examining it from an objective view point.

 

Then nothing is good or evil? So theft, murder, and child rape are just things some people don't like? I know most people don't think that. Most people think those things really are wrong. And if they really are wrong then something like porn can be really wrong.

 

I agree those things are wrong and we as a people have come to a consensus as to what is allowed to take place in our society

but once again it's through a consensus a majority of the population has to believe these things in order for it to be true. After all aren't there other part of the world that condone some of the things you had just mentioned?

Perhaps I didn't explain clearly enough as I should have.

 

I think I understand your position. But a majority of people agreeing on something being good or evil doesn't make it so. It just is a majority opinion. There either really is good or evil or there is not. If there isn't then the majority opinion doesn't mean anything other than what people will tolerate.

I don't think any part of the world thinks the things I listed are good. They may disagree on some details but agree on the broad strokes. But even if they did that wouldn't mean anything. Large groups of people and entire cultures can be wrong about things.

 

You're correct a majority of people believing in something that is good or evil doesn't make it so. So let me ask you this then

How do you know what wrong is? Can you define what wrong, evil and good are with out citing examples as proof? Examples aren't proof enough it is just one case in which it's true.

I am saying that there are things that society as a whole accepts through consensus. If they are correct or incorrect is left up to the individuals to decide for themselves. Since each individual has their own thoughts, morals and truths they believe in.

Think about this
How do we even know we know what we know?

 

This is a very interesting thread. I too have felt for a long time that pornography is evil, however, I didn't feel that when I first began viewing it and maybe that was because it hadn't yet become problematic within my own life. Now don't get me wrong, there is quite obvious evil within it and I'll make mention of the darker side of the web and in particular child pornography, snuff movies and people who are being maimed and horribly defiled in the making of pornography.

Is pornography though in and of itself evil though as I have often felt it to be? Yes, we can draw comparisons with guns or tornados (because they destroy lives and injure many) however is something which has the potential to be life-threatening evil? If we take regular porn where minors aren't being abused and people aren't being injured/killed

Spoiler: May Contain Content Which Is Triggering

and let's say it's two women together or a hot woman playing with herself, is this evil?

Most of what I viewed (except for the sickening sissy shit which brought me here) was by and large in the normal range of what porn is so I wouldn't necessarily suggest that it is evil but then by what yardstick am I personally measuring evil?

Spoiler: May Contain Content Which Is Triggering

I have read accounts of women who worked within these 'normal' parameters who ended up having hysterectomies because of the acts they were made to perform and not to mention the host of illnesses they picked up along the way. Then there were the bleeding throats from having dicks roughly thrust into their mouths and of course having to smile and moan through the pain and the degradation while cameras are shoved in their faces. The receptive partner reduced to a hole and a money shot rather than any genuine sense of connection or intimacy.

An argument could be made that everyone involved is above the legal age for sexual activity and they have all signed willingly on the dotted line, however, does this absolve porn from being evil?

I can't speak for anyone else and wouldn't dream of doing so, however, I personally feel that I have been conflating the two issues eg pornography being evil because my own life eventually fell apart due to my usage of it. Within that though I have always had a choice. I never had to view it. No one forced me to seek it out and view it. There have been times when it's felt like I have been taken over and I have sat there with a sore red dick that wouldn't even get hard while I searched for porn with multiple tabs open and so I do understand that for many (me included) it's not simply a case of knowing something isn't healthy and being able to put a stop to it, however, I still made a personal choice to do so even if the underlying drivers (eg the addiction and dopamine chasing) were intent on me continuing within that.

Most of my problems pertaining to MO weren't about the usage of what most would consider labelling porn

Spoiler: May Contain Content Which Is Triggering

but were of female celebrities wearing clothes which I found arousing

but the damage that was done to me personally was every bit as bad as when I viewed porn eg I sat there playing with myself over and over again to get a bigger and bigger hit of dopamine. Is viewing celebrities therefore evil? I know, you cannot compare those two things and it's silly to do so, I was simply using it as an example. I'm of the opinion currently (although this could change) that there are genres within porn which ARE evil, disgusting and disturbing and there are others which aren't, however, I do feel that the industry itself is largely manipulative and abusive in many ways.

There are always going to be people who can see they are developing unhealthy habits and are able to put a stop to it on their own as there are people who never become hooked on whatever it is whether it be porn, cigarettes, alcohol, harder drugs but for some of us, just knowing that isn't enough and we fall hook, line and sinker into the morass of addiction and it eats into our lives, our brains and we become lost to it. Does this mean that whatever it is we are involved with suddenly becomes evil? To me this is a grey/gray area. Just because something has the potential to damage us I don't feel automatically makes it something which is evil however there is the potential for evil things to happen within it and this really is the best summation of this I can come up with, for myself at least.

 

agreed! excellent points and great arguments you said it better than I could have.

 

Thank you. My opinions within this may change. It's good that this thread is here so we can all exchange views within it. There's nothing cut and dried about it as there are far too many nuances and variables.

 

So basically you did this for nothing lol. All this writing and you're stuck in between the posts. Next

 

We know things are right and wrong through various means. Difficulties over epistemology (how we know something) don't mean that thing doesn't exist (ontology).

I agree that society as a whole has a 'morality'. But if relativism is true then there is no individual deciding whether this is correct or incorrect. It just is. The individual who disagrees doesn't say, 'I do not like your morality'. He says, 'your morality is wrong'.

 

Good point bro but a lot of triggers in here so please put up spoilers!

 

Certainly. Can you show me how to do that please? Thanks in advance.

 

I'm on mobile so not sure about PC. However highlight the text and click in the plus sign, from there is a spoiler option. Not sure how helpful that was but it's the best I have, sorry.

 

true, you do make excellent points.

I don't know about you, but I enjoyed this conversation

thank you

 

No worries, I'll give it a go. Please let me know if I still need to use spoilers though when I'm done as I'm not sure how much you would like hidden. Thanks.

 

Just when describing action within the porn industry, like scenes and stuff like that

 

Thanks, I enjoyed the conversation too and your point of view. I enjoy discussing the 'big questions'.