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And he was like "You have no idea about me, don't try to read me, you not that great. Beside, I HAVE SEX MORE THAN FAP, the article doesn't help me for what i need"
And he said, pretty much like the older twin said "1 in 5 rules to write an article" - "Who is your reader?" . I was telling him 100 times that i have no idea what he has been through, so the article is the FUCKING SUGGESTION (sorry, i'm not saying that to him, but i vent here, sorry guys). I gonna in the future post it in public, who tf i know that they need it ???
And i go down for dinner with my family around, i feel more grounded and think about that again. I said to him after dinner, "okay, whatever you are, i respect, i need to respect people's different life views as they have growing process different than me, it's okay, just love them anyway, EXCEPT-
Then he reveals, he's a NARCISSISTIC, FOOD AND CAFFEIN ADDICT. To here i was like *phew*, I know you have addiction, i know, but i guess, it's not only PMO but those as well, but he doesnt treat PMO as an addict he has.
I was like too much done, cause i know who i'm dealing with, why i act so strange and stuff. Now i know, just caffein, a legal but unregulated substance, the food addiction which makes him grow overweight and obesity, the life view about 'positive sex'
So, okay, my older twin brother who has fit body, maybe not dealing with these stuff like the younger twin, he's more grounded than the younger twin, and know how to absorb the information i give, and negotiate with me well. They both have different life views and ways than me. And, i ONLY TAKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
It drained me a lot to talk if i received too much criticism. But anyway, i have to view the younger twin, my cousin, as a whole, despite whatever he's dealing with. That's the only way i can view him in a healthy view, not what he's dealing with. Cause that's what my family did that to me, not a PMO addict, but as a child, a dear person.
And more, i love this community for more, because i know, already know out there, NOT EVERYONE WILL APPROVE THE NOFAP THING, for sure. That's their life choice. As long as we respect each other, they do no harm for the society, or to themselves, so it's fine, don't worry about that, or them. they know how to figure themselves out.
Ah, one thing more, about 'i have sex more than fap', i'm making the assumption here, he has a gf outside, out of my knowledge, maybe he does sex, it's fine (but if he finds hook-ups, that's a different story)
Cause the older twin bro said to me, they are MALES, and they have DIFFERENT PRESSURE THAN FEMALE, so i think what they've been buid up to is for financial secure in the future.
So maybe my younger twin cousin out there doing something to create longterm relationship, and he wants to build a future with that. Idk maybe hr does hook-ups, i have no idea. So i just let him be, and help in my ability if he gonna take my advice, otherwise, i'll let him be the way he is.
TREAT THE LOVED ONES WHO HAS ADDICTION AS WHOLE, NOT THEIR SOLE ADDICTION. An addiction cannot define us, as it doesn't define them as well. We learn from each other and reach out to help at the right time as THEY NEED.
Hey halphy:)
At first...I wanna say thank you for letting me know that u were not feeling ok today..am happy that u spoke out abt what happend today....cause me and ur other friends are always here for ur support..that's what friends are for:)
going back to your story...you are a very brave person for actually talking abt this with 2 of ur cousins....I mean...realizing that they might have a problem is one thing and actually taking actions and talking to them abt this is another and it takes alot of courage....
and as u might know...everything comes with a price...u chose this hard brave path today to help ur cousins with sth that u are perfectly familiar with cause u didn't want them to endure the pain that u did just because of lack of information abt this....and i guess the pain and maybe the anger that u felt after those discussions was
the price u had to pay.....
So be happy that u tried ur best but also be aware that u cannot wake a person who is pretending to be asleep...
And if u try to push it harder and harder...trust me...the only person who gets hurt is u.
And what ur cousin said abt ur writing style and the way he manipulated u does not matter....cause i think that's what people do when u say sth that hits them hard deep down but is againts their old paradigmes and way of thinking....
If they be honest with themselves....deep down they know u are right but their ego does not let them to accept that...so...instead....they try to find sth to hurt u....and the closer they are to u...the more they can hurt you...cause they know ur achilles heel.....
@Narcissa hey, here’s the thing, i’m not the one who get the REAL HURT, cause i know i’m right. No matter what they say, i still stay here w you guys, i’m not going anywhere, don’t worry.
@Narcissa and it seems he just need some help, it’s not JUST about Nofap, but every addiction has the same effect on brain, PMO or others like food or caffein addiction, it’s the same, make him weaken and weird micro-expression
@Narcissa i just got to make my point clearer. And maybe he treat his “having sex more than fap” is an excuse, whatsoever, but he still need to work on other things :) if he doesn’t, it’ll affect him in the long term
Hey. It was great TEDTalk. I enjoyed reading it. You are so kind hearted person who wants to help others. You're amazing. Also your threads are so helpful. Thank you.
Hey halphie, it was a nice TED talk indeed. Waiting for youtube edition ;). Ok, joke apart. I do agree with @Narcissa. In Italy we have a say "The worst deaf, is the one who doesn't want to listen". So, of course there will be different views, but in my opinion you hit him more than the other cousin. That's why he got angry a bit.
Sometimes truth can get us angry if the truth is painful.
It is easier to accept a comfortable lie than a painful truth. I experienced it on my own skin. And when someone just hit you with reality you're hurt. Even if the article was not about him, he read it.
He felt hurt by truth, and reacted with "victim mentality" because he knew deep down, that this article talk about also him.
It is tough to accept. So, you've already done something wonderful in giving him the knowledge, but if you really want to help him, you should be even more patient(tough, I know). Because he knows you're right.
He need to accept it, and he will come back to you eventually.
The only thing I can say, is that he is really lucky to have a cousin like you. Big hug halphie.
Take care of your soul :)
@fg4795 yeah.. you’re right. I mean now I don’t have enough of patience to help him anyway, i have to ‘help myself and my work’, so about him, i got consultant from a dear friend @A_Simple_Guy he said the same. So maybe when my cousin need to change, i think both of the cousin with figure it out their own :)
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