1984 v. Brave New World

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  1. SickSicko

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    You know, sometimes, just sometimes, I like to think "the tribe" is stupid, and that they rip-off the ideas of actual brilliant people able to foresee catastrophic scenarios, and they are just like "hey, look what that guy published, look what that other guy theorized, sounds like an awesome road map to follow innit?"
     
  2. Melkhiresa

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    read his brave new world second edition, dude is clueless. And you guys do realize most people do not watch porn regularly it is mostly us addict.
     
  3. vikingsarehere

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    That thought sure came to mind, that's why I do not think it's a good idea for anyone to write a really good dystopia :D They do not need any more ideas.
     
  4. vikingsarehere

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    I believe he was part of the theosophical society, which had its connections back in the day. He was not as clueless as it seems.

    Yes, not all people are porn addicts, but there are enough addictions in the modern day world that they do have the effect of soma one way or another.
     
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  5. Normally Return to Brave New World is selled with the own book BNW (In my language). Huxley itself make his own pessimistic conclusion but i think is just a mask because he already know what would happen, and Orwell was his student and disciple. We are talking about the nephew of Thomas Huxley, the St.Paulus of the Darwinism and eugenetism and spreaded the theory everywhere. His two nephews, one the great writer-philosopher Aldous Huxley that made all the good books we are talking about, the other, Julian Huxley was the first director of the UNESCO and one of the founders of WWF, and he was the first to talk about Transhumanism despite it was a primitive idea.
    The last part of your post i can't agree because porn numbers are costantly increasing and everyone with a smartphone can be easly affected by it because the mind depravation is reached social network and half naked woman get thousands of likes, so is more easy to get possessed by the primitive instinct. Just watch during pandemic how many get addicted by porn, porn sites also gived free premium stimulate people to enter in the site and spend their time in there. And another fraction of these does not know about NoFap and continue to do his own life and fap everyday and will never know about his addiction. Next generations are in danger because us from the ''generation Z'' are born in the middle of this technological transation. When i was a kid we had only playstation and slow computers and we didn't bring with us Smartphones and everyone adult had dumb phone like nokia and we separated internet life with physical life. We played at home, of course, but we had friends and normally stay outside was better than stay at home, so was a kind of hybrid, you couldn't play online and just share your tv with a friend at home. Now mostly of youngs pass their time at play fortnite online with friends instead of exit and play some game like football, ecc...
    years ago my friend find his brother watch porn of fortnite at 8 years old, when she told me i was shocked but then i searched on internet and watch porn at 7-8 years old is now normally. And they start with this new world porn like hardcore porn. 10 years ago to me was just search nude pics of girls and play sex flash games, and before that i started with photos of dressed girls or mind masturbation. Despite is different for everyone.
     
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  6. I don't know if he was inside the Theosophy but mostly of it became trash and was mostly trash since Blavatsky founded it. Steiner leaved it because they said Khrisnamurti was the reincarnation of Christ and found Antroposophy. Then the same Khrisnamurti leaved the society and said he wasn't the reincarnation of Christ. So we can say that the best members leaved it. Anyway Theosophical Society is just a Freemasonry open for everyone, they are quite similar.
    When i think about Huxley and his travel to mexico, ecc...i think about Castaneda because Huxley usally experiment drugs from the same place where Castaneda was. Despite all, for a family of materialists, i find really strange to see his interest in religion and spirituality, drugs that changer the perception of the world, ecc...he writed a great book called ''Perennial Philosophy''.
     
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  7. vikingsarehere

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    Wow!! Quite some information there, I never really got the chance to dig into all this.

    It's quite interesting he visited the same location Castaneda been to, my very brief research into Castaneda gave me the impression that he was probably a CIA operative or connected to them somehow, and that it was quite possible that his books, weren't completely his but rather written by a group of authors in Langley (They are truly great books nonetheless). But don't take my word on that one, it's more like a hunch.

    The CIA was heavily pushing the hippie/new age movement back then. I still have to go through this one, but it seems promising:
    https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/laurelcanyon/

    It's obvious that people like Timothy Leary were working for the CIA, but who knows maybe Castaneda or even Huxley were part of something. Huxley worked for Hollywood and MGM, he most likely had his connections with the "tribe", he was by no means an outcast.

    Just trying to research Huxley's brother name quickly give me the auto-complete of eugenics!
     
  8. vikingsarehere

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    Thank you for the post, lots of valuable information.
     
  9. Melkhiresa

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    Student and disciple outclass their master all the time. Huxley's uncle achievements have nothing to do with him, and st paul? what were his actual contributions to the theory? a theorist should not need some famous family relation for him to be taken seriously.
    just because they can does not mean they do, actually the number of likes is indeed a better way of knowing how many are viewing a porn for the x times in a day rather than the number of views in which case it is an insignificant number of the population.
    Of course people exposure to sex is early but that is nothing new, you want to convince anyone try bringing up some data as to how many become addicted at that young age instead of just having watched it once of twice, because knowing how hard it is to quit there would be way, way more addicts, views, and likes than there are now.
    And the whole "in my times it was better", not gonna get into that, already feel like an ancient -do not need this in addition.
     
  10. Probably,Don Juan never existed but his existance his jusfied because an occultist normally use someone else for explain his vision of the world (Plato with Socrates, we don't know nothing about Socrates, Plato, Aristotle life outisde the books of the people lived in their time, mostly of what they tell is taked from Diogene Laertio book that lived hundreds pf years laters). But as Castaneda you can say that also Beatles, Hare Krishna, ecc .. were forced in the west by someone.

    About Huxley you are right Thomas Huxley didn't spread the theory everywhere he spread his Social Darwinist/malthusian theory for pass the idea that only the strong survive and the Europeans used it for justify their colonialism arround the world. And his modern disciples use the shield of agnosticism for justify their misleads and continue to explain the law of the strongest to kids at school in the human world as a fact. St.Paulus was just an allegory, Huxley wass disciple of Darwin just like Paulus about Jesus.
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    Sorry but i don't understand what do you mean with your second message because my english is shit but as i said in the message writed to you some days ago i said how you will see throught years how people will become addicted to their technologies = to Porn because they pass all their day on smartphone instead of meet people, just watch Hikikomori and young depression in the world always up and all engorge psychopharmacs everyday , you can find your porn stats on internet because MindGeek own litteraly 90% of the biggest porn sites and release stats every years. If you think have a gf mean stop immediatly to watch porn you are not right anyway. Maybe if you have sex everyday with your gf you can bypass porn but end just to sex addiction.

    Anyway i never said that my times were better, i said that when i was young there was not all these people in symbiosis with internet that does not know what mean tpo have a walk. It seem like you are watching me like a nationalist that want to preserve his (fake) culture. Entropy can just increase during ages, but if people rather to IGNORE it and focus on material vicious things is not my problem if they don't want to learn
     
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  11. Blessedby TheMostHigh

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    Anyone who makes statements like this I automatically know you’re a social outcast. It’s common knowledge among friend groups that all guys watch porn and jerk off. If you were asked in high school if you watch porn and said no, you would be made fun of for sure.
     
  12. Melkhiresa

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    Don't make assumptions about things you don't know, maybe this one went to a different school but in his people who spent all their nights jerking off to porn instead of banging chicks were considered to be losers and rightfully so. One only joke by bragging to be watching porn, it is know to be a shameful practice so much so that very few share their porn with their friend and most will grow out of that practice as they become more mature.
    Don't think your narrow limited experience in high school or in movies mean anything, watching porn is and will always be something you do in secret and most ppl here were only brought to their senses after being caught.
    Anyways our statement is accurate, if every kids in high school watched porn everyday day, you'll be having way more views than there are now.
     
  13. FirefromAbove

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    I can back this up. Porn was discussed among peers, as with sexual escapades. Obviously, no one discussed their fetishes, unless they were mentally ill and/or weird.

    I remember guys would want to show us a meme or a yt video on their phones and as they were getting to show us what, we would always see one of the big porn sites in their search history, it was always laughed off and joked about.

    Also I remember kids debating who was a better pornstar. There was a porn star who killed themselves years back and I remember friends and I discussing her. Very prevalent among youths.
     
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  14. Melkhiresa

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    even if one assume that only europeans and north americans go to pornhub we have in 2019 about 42B visitors or about 115M visitors/day and we do not know if these are unique visitors or just the numbers of time the site is visited/day, the population is still well over 1B, so let us say about 300-400M under 18 give or take, if one assume that every one of them watched porn regularly even once a day do the math pan out?
    To say nothing to the fact that they probably visit multiples porn site a day.
    So his statement is shite since we do not even take adult who are probably the most addict in the picture. Look at data, look at the big picture.
     
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  15. FirefromAbove

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    42b is still larger than the population of the world
     
  16. gordie

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    1) Pornhub is not the most popular porn site in every country. I think France, for example, preferred Xnxx, Xvideos, or Youporn. And often a single site is pretty sufficient for the purposes-- not counting paid porn etc, 120 million per day is huge.
    2) Each visit is flagged as unique. I understand you questioning that the uniqueness might be a misrepresentation of multiple hits from a single user, but this is going to I believe most of the time be unlikely or minimal. I'm going to assume most people who watch these sites aren't going to watch porn at work and then go home and watch it on their computer, then get a 3rd hit somewhere else.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in some of what you've said, because a lot of porn sites are beholden to advertisers and so they'll exaggerate their numbers. But to counter this point maybe even more: not everyone is going to have a daily porn habit-- I actually didn't use porn every day, I'd sometimes watch porn a few times a week, and I'd use different sites. I'd still consider myself a heavy user. This would've been a heavy user 30 years ago, when people relied on magazines-- not to mention that my "sessions" were not the 4 center-fold spreads in a Hustler but probably 6 or 7 videos of hardcore acts at minimum.

    Porn is also completely embedded in American society. Not sure if I get "made fun of" much for not watching porn (like some claim), I'm pretty publicly anti-porn around most of my friends, I mean I'm 31 and somewhat successful so people don't really make fun of me much anymore to begin with. But it is definitely a cultural phenomenon and if you go out into the world in modern America you'll find porn is pretty widely accepted.
     
  17. Melkhiresa

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    even if pornhub is not always the most popular in every country we believe most people who watch porn will not simply watch some 5min videos, instead they will typically browse for at least an hour most likely visiting multiples site in the process if this one is any example; there is also the fact that they do not always watch'n'fap, sometime they just go on a downloading spree or just watch out of boredom in which case they indeed take multiple hit a day and people under 18 or regular users definitely fap more than once a day.
    being made fun of for not watching porn is most likely something done among teenagers/young-adults but to say that every guys jerk and watch porn is an exaggeration considering most couple take watching porn as cheating and the average marriage age in the us is about 30.
    Taking into account the fact that most parent do not want their kids watching porn and mature and productive adult do not want to be know for watching it ,this one will believe that watching porn is widely accepted when you can do so openly and not be ridiculed for it by his peers or family members.
     
  18. gordie

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    To the first part, I’m pretty sure pornhub doesn’t track a unique hit by someone swapping videos and each time it counts. I work in ads and the metrics behind this are pretty well calibrated. In fact, I’m sure the number of views is shown in Pornhub’s metrics and I can guarantee it’s much higher.

    I also think you might have a bar that’s too high for widely accepted. You mean like 12 year old Timmy plops down on the couch in the living room after school and starts jerking off at 4 PM while his parents read a book on the other side of the couch? Because right now, other than kids doing it and openly, it’s pretty mainstream and widely accepted.
     
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  20. Melkhiresa

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    not what we meant, visiting the same site multiple times a day is a thing along with visiting multiples sites during a session.
    we must have had different childhood then, this one of course knew some of his friends to watch porn regularly but would he come out and say that he watched it also other than perhaps once or twice? or know any adults who casually talked about porn with their peers? because if not then it is not widely accepted perhaps tolerated is more fitting here.
     

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