Discussion in 'Events & Challenges' started by Future role model, Apr 2, 2018.

How often do you listen to music

  1. All the time

    42 vote(s)
  2. Often

    34 vote(s)
  3. Sometimes

    9 vote(s)
  4. Very rarely

    5 vote(s)
  1. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    I know that almost everyone in this community enjoys listening to music. I enjoy that too, but I feel like I'm wasting so much time doing nothing but listening to music... I start imagining my dream life, but I never do something about making it become reality. I wasted about 2 years of my life listening to music every day for almost all day, and I think that I should stop for some time. This is just experimenting, I'm aware there are people who think that music is the best and it's important for creativity and motivation etc... But I want to make this experiment and after 30 days see if it worked. Anybody is welcomed to join me.

    -Easy mode-
    You are allowed to listen music while you're travelling, running, walking etc... You are also allowed to listen to music while you're doing something useful, for example cleaning your room or working out...
    -Normal mode-You are allowed to listen to music only on your way to work/school...
    -Hard mode- NO MUSIC AT ALL

    You don't need to update every day, but do it as often as you can. If you willingly start listening to music when you aren't allowed to, it's considered failure, and you need to start from day 0.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2018
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  2. Bluedition

    Bluedition Fapstronaut

    I need to get my shit together, so I'll join you. I have a lot of experience with NoMusic, and I would say that it definetely helps. I will still use music when I workout though.
    I relapsed on Nofap today after coming home from a date with a girl, so for me its day 0 for both nofap and NoMusic. I will also try to stay away from internetbrowsing, junkfood and videogames. Good luck to you!
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  3. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    I'm sorry because you relapsed... You will get stronger after this. I'm glad that I won't be alone in this challenge. Good luck to you too!
  4. I am still unclear why you think listening to music is harmful. Can you guys - @Dane17 and @Bluedition - please explain?
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  5. leo da king

    leo da king Fapstronaut

    I play classical music at concerts -_- :(.
    I would join otherwise.
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  6. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    I'm not saying it's harmful, I'm just saying that I became an addict, and I'm probably not the only one. I was literally listening to music for whole day. And I find it okay if you're listening to music while doing something, but I wasted few hours a day just listening to music and doing literally nothing. I was imagining my dream life while listening, it was like mental masturbation. I'm pretty sure that it gave me a dopamine spike, just like PMO or sugar...
    I also enjoyed listening to classical musics. You can join us and be on easy mode, so you are allowed to listen to it while doing something useful.
  7. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    This dude made some valid points. Being more present is probably something that I'm missing atm...
  8. Hmm. If you spent days on end gardening and doing nothing else, would that be an addiction? If you were an art lover, living in a capital city, and spent hours daily sitting and contemplating great artistry, would that be an addiction? Would either of these things be negative in any way? I concede that if your gardening, art gallery attendance or music listening means that you are not completing important tasks, then it is a time management issue and you need to prioritise.

    It just worries me that some talk about the dopamine demon, if you will. We get dopamine when we have our dinner, walk in the park, have a laugh with friends etc. As PMO addicts, we are fighting something very sinister and dark. This has become a huge problem in recent years because of high speed internet porn. So even teen boys have impotence or erectile dysfunction. As we recover from this, music listening, exercise, social inclusion and so on are to be encouraged. There is nothing sinister about dopamine per se. Indeed, e want back the dopamine receptors that we have sacrificed on the alter of high speed internet porn. Do you understand my concerns in raising this with you Dane? I'm not picking a fight.
  9. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    I understand what are you talking about, but believe me, you cannot imagine how addicted I am to music. I am literally able to spend 6 hours laying on my bed while listening to music and fantasizing about my dream life. I also easily get bored from the music I am listening right now(after 2 days of listening to it I can't stand it anymore), and I constantly need to search for a new stuff. It's like porn addict searching for a new pornstar because he got bored from the current one. I agree with you that music can be great thing, but I really need to stop for some time, and to think about everything. I said that this is an experiment, I'm not sure if this is going to turn out right, but I hope it will. Like the guy from that video said, you won't be able to escape reality, which I was doing all the time. I need to be present more in my life, instead of only dreaming and imagining. It became a huge issue for me. When I am on my way to school while I'm listening to music, I literally do not notice anybody/anything, I don't even remember how I got to the school, because I am in my own world. I just need to get back to reality and escape imagination, music for me is like porn for high core porn addict...
  10. Evolve1973

    Evolve1973 Fapstronaut

    I had your problem once, then i picked up a guitar rather than just listening..and spent all that wasted time learning.... I've made money from it, friends, life adventures... music's not the issue bro... potentially your motivation is? I mean that in a respectful manner
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  11. Thanks for explaining bro. I wish you good luck and I hope you feel the benefit in due course.
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  12. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    Thanks for the advice. At first I thought that music was motivating me, but now I realize that it was only motivating me to think about better life, but not to take action. Even when I'm working out, I don't think that music motivates me, it's more like it distracts me from my workout... It's hard to explain. I knew that there will be many users that won't like this NoMusic idea, but I also think that I'm not the only one in this community who has this problem. It's hard to understand if you haven't gotten through it yourself.
    Thank you!
  13. Evolve1973

    Evolve1973 Fapstronaut

    Hi again Dane, I do actually understand what your saying. I'm not sure how old you are, but when i wasted away my days listening to records and CD's, i had this imagined life of basically being a rock star. Id spend hours and hours in my bus tucked away from life.... i didn't want to do anything else... life was passing me by. There is a saying from my favorite author, Jo Dispenza " you have the capacity to think greater than your circumstances" , and you are the architect of your reality, so if you want to change this... then its time to get a plan my friend.
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  14. Bluedition

    Bluedition Fapstronaut

    I have written a few posts about this: https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...-listening-to-music.81981/page-2#post-1132981 (comment # 30) and here: https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/nomusic-can-music-be-bad-for-you.96387/

    This comment pretty much sums it up: In the modern world, music is just a click away, and the genres are endless. Back in the old days, music was much rarer, and it was always a social activity, that brought the entire community together. When you listened to music around the camp fire, you were probably singing along yourself or clapping or something. Music meant that you were part of a group and bonding and becoming closer with the group, which increased your odds of surviving dramatically. I think this is why music has such a powerful effect on us. It makes our brain believe, that we are participating in a social activity that is important for your survival. In its modern form, the reality is often, that you are sitting alone in your room with music coming out of your earplugs. I fear that too much music will make us numb in regards to actual social activity.

    Modern music usage is vastly different from back in the old days, and I don't think our brains have evolved to keep up with the changes. The two biggest changes are availability (music is now available 24/7 for free) and unending novelty. (Sounds familiar?).

    I consider music to be a subcategory of internet addiction. In many ways it is a superstimulant, that our brains haven't evolved to cope with properly. At least, that's my theory. From my own experience, I have felt negative consequences of listening to music too much. I sometimes feel anxiety, if my smartphone runs out of battery, and I can't listen to music, when I'm going somewhere, which I find worrying and a bit disturbing.

    I always try to have an open mind, and if there is a lot of science to debunk, that music could not possibly have any negative consequences whatsoever, I would be open to read about that. But in all honesty, I don't think there has been much research into this subject (and there aren't really any control group, pretty much everyone listens to music). The few times, I have raised this issue, however, most of the responses I hear are extremely defensive and not backed up by anything. This includes simple assertions like "MUSIC IS LIFE, I WOULD DIE WITHOUT MUSIC, DON'T YOU TAKE AWAY MY MUSIC" or "SO WHAT IF MUSIC RAISES DOPAMINE LEVELS, EVERYTHING DOES" or even "MUSIC FEELS GREAT, SO THERE CAN'T BE ANYTHING WORNG WITH IT, PERIOD. I really don't mind if people listen to music, I don't really care. I just want to limit my own use as much as possible right now. I would, however, encourage people to just try skipping music for a couple of weeks, and notice any changes. Have an open mind. But it's up to you.

    And yes, this might come as a shock to a lot of people, but it is actually possible to survive more than a day without music. Your life does not become an empty shell, and you do not become suicidal after a week without music. It's not the end of the world, and the sky won't collapse. I would rather say this: If music is the only good thing, you have in life, you need to sort out your priorities.
  15. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    I agree with you that I need a plan. I have gone through hard time last few months, depression and anxiety, but I am getting back on track. Already have few ideas that I can work on, I hope they will fulfill my life.

    You are right in every possible way. I can only say that I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's having this issue. Most people do not understand... You did a great job explaining it. Today was my day 1 in this challenge, and it wasn't particularly hard. And I feel like I was more productive.
  16. I consider this to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on the subject. You talk about music "back in the old days". Well, back in my old days (I was born in 1965), I never listened to music round the camp fire! I never had music on as "part of a group and bonding and becoming closer with the group". I listened to music on my own as a teen. I moved away from home at 20, lived alone and continued listening to music as a solitary activity. Furthermore, I have not downloaded one single piece of music. I have 1,500 CDs. Everything I listen to I physically own a copy of. It has got bugger all to do with my survival. It is simply something that has brought me a great deal of pleasure over the years.
  17. Bluedition

    Bluedition Fapstronaut

    With "the old days", I was of course not referring to 1965, but to the tribal era (from the dawn of man up through the stone age, bronze age etc.). Back then, if you wanted to listen to music, you would have to make it yourself, or experience it directly from other people. It was typically a bonding experience with the rest of your tribe. It stayed this way for thousands and thousands of years, and this was the enviroment, our brains evolved in. Later, people wouldn't make music around the fire with their tribe, but instead in churches and when working in the field.

    It wasn't until the late 1800's, that this enviroment changed with the invention of the phonograph/gramophone and radio. But these devices didn't become things normal people would own until around the 1910-1930's, and there were still huge physical/economic limits to the use of these devices. You couldn't carry a gramophone with you when you were going to school/work and all songs had to be stored on records. If you felt the urge to listen to a particular song, you would have to buy a physical copy of the record. A lot of people didn't have a store with a big selection of records near where they lived, and would have to order it by mail. A lot of people didn't have much money either and had to be very selective about what records to buy. As for the radio, you didn't have any control over, what songs were being played, and there were often commercial breaks, and you didn't have hand held radios (transistor radios) until the 1960-1970's.

    Of course, as the technology evolved, there were better and better mediums of storage, most notably the cassette tapes and later CD's. These were more affordable, and were possible to carry around. Music becomes cheaper and cheaper and more avaiable to the public. The more advanced the technology gets, the more danger there is, that our brains haven't had the time to evolve to adapt to those changes. This makes it possible for our brain to be "tricked" or "hijacked". And I seriously doubt, that our brains evolved since the 1960's to cope with the wide availability of music, that used to be so scarce and different throughout the rest of our evolution. And of course, now it is worse than ever through the invention of online downloading/streaming of music available for free 24/7 whereever you go.

    Some people like yourself still use CD's instead of streaming, which is better than streaming because of the physical limitations (you can't carry your entire 1,500 CD Collection with you, and it requires more discipline to use), but it is still very alien to our paleo brain. You can use porn as an analogy: It is better to only watch porn on VHS tapes, because you don't get the unending novelty, that you get from online porn, but it is better to simply not watch porn at all.

    Now, is it the end of the world if you listen to music sometimes? No. You can still have a functioning life and listen to music. It is like any other super stimulant: You don't die from eating a burger, listening to a song or watching some porn. But I think it is in principle bad for you, and should be limited as much as possible, and the most optimal thing would be to completely avoid these stimulants and use the natural stimulants, nature intended: Eating whole foods instead of junkfood; engage in real social acitivies/actually playing music yourself instead of hearing music thorugh your earplugs; having sex with a real girl instead of masturbating to some pixels.

    Sorry for the long post.
  18. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    Day 2
    I had some temptations to listen music, especially when I got notified that Krewella released a new song, but I won't do it. I'm doing this hard mode, which means no music at all.
    It seems like today was longer day that the usual for me. It's probably because I've been more present and time runs slower when you aren't in your imagined world.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2018
  19. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    Day 3
    I got notified about few new song releases, and I had desire to click on them, but I was strong enough not to do that.
  20. Future role model

    Future role model Fapstronaut

    Day 0
    Yesterday was awful day for me. I haven't done anything useful, so in the evening, I told myself "Why not listen to some music?" And i ended up listening to it for more than 2 hours straight... It felt better than when I was listening to it every day, I got some chills, but I still want to stop for at least 1 month.

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