4th of July

So why should Americans obey the law when their country was founded upon lawlessness?

 

Cause they don't wan't to go to jail and get but raped. I agree with your point cause I see our founding fathers as the murderous, low life, genocide committing rapist they were.

 

It doesn't change historical fact does it? I'm stating what anyone who is remotely familiar with history knows to be true. You're the one getting all but hurt. What does my historical lineage have to do with the founding fathers and the 4th of July?

 

1) As I said, I was stating irrefuateble historical fact and this clearly upset you. You are butthurt and you need to get a hold of your emotions and stop acting like a kid.

2) Then you say "There were raping, murdering, genocidal people in your own ancestral lineage. " as if I don't understand my own history and I'm claiming moral high ground. This also has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.

I don't give a fuck why you celebrate the 4th of July because I dont know you. No need to justify your values to me. I'm sorry the truth makes you so uncomfortable but attacking me for it is just as unproductive, lol.

 

Were not discussing the picture. Were discussing the OPs question.

So why should Americans obey the law when their country was founded upon lawlessness?

No wonder you sound so confused.

 

The country wasn't formed on lawlessness. Leaving one country and their laws to start your own country with your own set of laws is not lawlessness. You're just seperating & creating your own laws.

It's exactly in the name. Independence day. Declaring independence and making your own laws.

Side note: I think you made some harsh comments about the founding fathers. I'm sure they all weren't rapist and certainly weren't commiting genocide. It's a definite possibility some (or dare I say a good amount) of people back then we're just chilling living their life.

 

Taxation is theft. King George was a tyrant. We also won. If England got to keep their colony the founding fathers would have hung as traitors. Winners write the history books.

 

Everything I said was true. When you "discover" a continent that is already inhabited the only way to take control of it is to dispose of the people who are already there. This is historical fact. Do you think the Indians exterminated themselves? Who do you think brought slaves to the United states. They may not have gotten their hands dirty directly but orchestrating the rape and pillage of a nation is worse from where I stand. The atrocities they committed are the book definition of lawless.

 

Well said

 

The extermination of the native Americans didn't occur over night. Benjamin Franklin was a major contributor to the establishment of a government which accelerated the displacement and extermination of the native Americans in addition to being a slave owner. Don't hurt yourself thinking to hard Ethan. This stuff is all common knowledge to anyone who isnt a retard but keep making ignorant statements and I'll keep shooting holes in them. I've included some direct quotes from the writings of your founding fathers below.

Benjamin Franklin, from his autobiography, 1750s

“If it be the design of Providence to extirpate these Savages in order to make room for cultivators of the Earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means.”

Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, May 31, 1779

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”

Governor William Henry Harrison, of the Indiana Territory (1800-1812) while defending displacement of the Indians

“Is one of the fairest portions of the globe to remain in a state of nature, the haunt of a few wretched savages, when it seems destined by the Creator to give support to a large population and to be the seat of civilization?”

President Thomas Jefferson, The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, December 29, 1813

“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.”

James Monroe, in a letter to Andrew Jackson, October 5, 1817

“The hunter or savage state requires a greater extent of territory to sustain it, than is compatible with the progress and just claims of civilized life, and must yield to it. Nothing is more certain, than, if the Indian tribes do not abandon that state, and become civilized, that they will decline, and become extinct. The hunter state, tho maintain’d by warlike spirits, presents but a feeble resistance to the more dense, compact, and powerful population of civilized man.”

 

I've also included various articles about Thomas Jefferson who is a know rapist that fathered multiple children with young female slaves that did not have the option to say no.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/8/11389556/thomas-jefferson-sally-hemings-book

https://www.ozy.com/flashback/thomas-jefferson-founding-father-white-supremacist/79574

http://www.phillytrib.com/commentar...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html


https://www.phillymag.com/news/2014...sons-monticello-national-constitution-center/

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/opinion/the-real-thomas-jefferson.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1996/10/thomas-jefferson-radical-and-racist/376685/


https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/20/was-thomas-jefferson-a-rapist/