9 Years no porn - Been in a flatline since day 1

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  1. Onwards90

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    I'm not an expert ,but
    Yea this sounds like a hormonal issue .

    Either low test ,
    Low or high estrogen
    Or high shbg = low free t

    Or a combination of all 3

    If anythings off with the above your libido will be reduced
    That will result in what would seem as a flatline. 9 years is a long time to never have any urges .

    I would get a full hormonal profile done , ask for your results to be printed off, go online and ask around. Most gps will tell you your results are normal even if there at the very bottom of the scale if it's within normal , that really doesn't matter , if your test is on the lower side . Your not goina feel anywhere near as good as when it is high , and getting normal urges
     
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  2. pornfreesmee

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    Ok say here’s the results of the blood test I took roughly one year ago just in case my other link didn’t work for anyone.

    Free Testosterone
    0.33 nmol/L
    9.5 ng/dl
    95 pg/dl

    Testosterone
    625.4 ng/dl
    21.7 nmol/L

    Bioavailable Testosterone
    8.03 nmol/L
    231.4 ng/dl

    Albumin
    44.7 g/l

    FSH
    3.02 IU/L

    LH
    5.63 IU/L

    Estrogen
    112 pmol/L

    Prolactin
    148 mU/L

    SHBG
    55.6 nmol/L

    TSH
    1.6 mIU/L

    So I’ve been looking into this far the last couple of weeks, and it’s seems whilst my testosterone level is pretty good my free testosterone is on the lower side of normal due to a high shbg level. If researched all of the natural ways to increase free testosterone and lower SHBG. So my plan is for the next 6 months is to supplement with Boron to lower SHBG, I will limit/avoid alcohol and avoid exposure to xenoestrogens. I’m also going to be eating at maintenance or above. As I mentioned last time I had been in a calorie deficit for a while before my last test and had been drinking more alcohol than normal, which I believe effected the result. I’m still skeptical about this being a hormonal issue because I lost my libido after quitting porn. I did start training with weights a few months after quitting aswell, and at one point I got worried my libido might have been lost from working out. But I tried a 3 month period off from weight lifting and my libido didn’t come back. Also heres a link to an article Gary Wilson from YBOP wrote about low testosterone treatment which makes me skeptical.
    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/reb...or-low-testosterone-a-systematic-review-2016/

    Another thing to add is that a good friend of mine has just been diagnosed with low T ironically. His T levels are super low around 8 nmol/l, so he definitely has low t, which he thinks maybe a result from some steroid cycles he did when he was younger. He showed me his results and even though his T is very low; his shbg and estrogen are lower than mine, so his free T isn’t all that much lower. His free testosterone is 0.282 nmol/L where’s mine 0.33 nmol/L. I asked him if he has any sex drive or Ed issues and he said he has no issues and a good sex drive still, and that it’s just his energy levels that are the main syptom he suffers with. My friend is very open with his problems so I know he’s telling the truth. So it makes me a little skeptical, but I’m gonna to give these new habits a try for the next six months and do another blood test. I’ll check back with the results in 6 months
     
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  3. Onwards90

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    Is your friend in a relationship. That makes all the difference .

    For me I had issues with free t because ii had high shbg from medication i lowered my shbg and also found my estrogen was low . my sex drive increased markedly. Before the medication it was always pretty high and known effects the meds can have brought me to finding how to reverse it and it worked . Proviron is another beneficial drug which lowers shbg and raises free t levels and increases sex drive . But of course you can have all this and still waste your energy levels and sex drive away to porn and high stress levels.. the best way to have a healthy sex drive is to have optimal hormones and reduced inflammation inflammation in the body caused by cortisol and stress and to have a fully dense diet .aswell as having good nitrogen balance . For me personally I found things like dieting kills sex drive. My sex drive has always been much higher on a moderate to high carb intake and low when too low bodyfat .I would start with cutting out porn , reducing stress levels . And increasing carbs fats and proteins and focus on lowering your shbg and increasing free t and things should definitely improve I'm not an expert but I know what works for me . It took awhile to sort it myself where doctors had no idea what the problem was . It wasn't porn it was a medication. But for sure porn will do it to you too
     
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  4. Alex__13

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    I'm in the same situation as you ... and I use sildenafil 100mg and for me it's the only one that works. Maybe the only difference is that as I prolong the period between orgasms my erection improves, the longest period for me is about 2 months, I don't know what you feel but my dick it's all day without feeling ,dead dick symptoms ... Unfortunately I am quite pessimistic about the possible healing for this .. Unfortunately, in my opinion, there are very few who can recover from pied and those probably have a easy or moderate pied.
    In my opinion, the most valuable information I obtained from a tantra teacher, she asked me "have you heard of anyone who has cured of this? You can make abstinence ..after a few orgasms pied will return"
    It seems he was right ... right now I read more posts exactly so it happened.
    In her opinion we have only one chance ... to learn sex without orgasm ... but how is it? it's a shit. But unfortunately everything he said was perfectly true.
     
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  5. Onwards90

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    What's your stress levels like , do you do a lot of cardio or exercise too much. High stress levels will absolutely kill libido. If you have an elevated heart rate frequently you likely have high stress hormones which is a dick killer no idea if that's your issue but know it to be a problem.
     
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  6. Younameit

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    these are two high
     
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  7. Younameit

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    Honestly man, I just want the energy
    in my case it seems low libido and depression go together, I really want to fix this depression/anhedonia and live life normally, fuck libido and erections
    Time to do hardcore treatment, Ibogaine is on the way
    A guy who has energy, is not depressed and is emotionally healthy but still is bothered by some sort of pied shit is delusional. My happiness, gratitude, feeling of being alive, energy, emotional fulfillment is way more important than my dick
    I just want to restore my energy levels, by focusing on healing depression/anhedonia and get back to life I don't give a shit about sex, but maybe I might also fix the sexual part because they might be correlated, fixing depression may restore the sexual energy along with it as well
     
  8. Anonymous86

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    Have you had any emotional/mental improvement from the depression/anhedonia at all during your NoFap?
     
  9. Younameit

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    yes
     
  10. Younameit

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    mainly brain fog, it lifted 80%
     
  11. Anonymous86

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    How long into your streak? Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the topic...
     
  12. Younameit

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    around 18 months
     
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  13. Anonymous86

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    Wow holy crap. Any improvement in erections? Did the anhedonia leave and the come back?
     
  14. Anonymous86

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    Does prolactin play a role in porn addiction affecting erections or no?
     
  15. Nuallann

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    Chronic use of porn's effect on prolactin levels is unknown, no studies have been done on it as you can imagine. What I can say is high prolactin does cause hormonally induced erectile dysfunction, as it inhibits dopamine, so the body really doesn't want to have sex since the "driver" hormone is suppressed.

    Ever felt that "disgust" feeling after cumming? Thats prolactin being produced, it's telling your body it's time to stop, and stop matting with this woman, you did your job. In guys with normal ranges of prolactin this feeling wears off shortly after as levels go back down, and they will want to go again. Guys with chronically elevated prolactin levels are basically in a prolonged refractory period, they are less likely to want sex, and will have a hard time getting hard with anything but manual stimulation, even that might bore them.

    The good news is it's easily treatable today.
     
  16. EnglishTosser

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    2-28 in what measurement? 148 mU/L doesn't seem that high to me.
     
  17. Nuallann

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    god damnit, scratch everything I said, I was reading that in ng/dl, standard in the U.S., my bad.
     
  18. Younameit

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    I still have anhedonia
     
  19. pornfreesmee

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    Abstinence does seem to improve my ability slightly also, but not to a satisfactory level. I also feel like I have dead dick symptoms all day long too! Whats the longest period you have gone without orgasm? Do you experience any side effects from sildenafil? Yeah I think you might be right! There are quite a few cases of guys who've needed 16-24 months of uninterrupted abstinence to reverse this flatline.My theory is that one orgasm during a flatline can fuck up all your progress, which is the only explanation why were still not cured. I think for guys like us maybe orgasm is the main thing we were addicted to. Semen retention may be the only hope we have to reverse it!
     
  20. pornfreesmee

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    What were your SHBG and Free T numbers at the time? The only medication I take is sidenfil 100mg, which i limit to 3 times per week now to manage side effects. For me I actually don't not a difference when I am dieting or maintaining/bulking in terms of libido and sexual performance. It literally makes no difference.
     

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