A theory on why NoFap/Semen retention decreases anxiety makes us more present

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by MusicMakingMonk, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. MusicMakingMonk

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    Hi there nofappers, I had a thought the other idea on why semen retention decreases anxiety and helps us to be more present in everyday life.

    I've been reading a book about Daoist Nei Gong, which is basically Chinese yoga, or a method for spiritual cultivation, that if you make it your whole life, may even lead to an enlightenment of sorts.

    The foundational practices are gaining a certain quality of mind and breath, and the main practice in this is the absorption of the mind into the breath, or, meditation. In this practice you want your "mind", or really, your energy and attention, to sink down to your lower stomach or "dan tien". This is done through observation of the breath, after some time the mind will become absorbed into the breath, this is the important part relating to anxiety. Most of our anxiety is caused by overthinking and analyzing, worries that are stuck in our head in a loop. Now the mind loves absorption and will do this into a number of things. For instance, porn is a strong one, it is easy for our minds to absorb into something like porn. When you are watching and masturbating you are totally absorbed, thoughts and worries disappear after all right?
    Same for exercise or videogames or any kind of activity. The mind loves absorption.

    Now think about this, as we go on nofap a lot of people start to feel that their balls are so heavy, or that they feel full, but what I really think is happening here is that a large amount of energy is gathered there now, and that's why you feel your balls all the time on nofap. That is to say, your mind is partially absorbed into your genitalia during the day. Now, what did I say about absorption of the mind earlier? It calms down thoughts and mental activity. Usually, this kind of mental activity is a cause of anxiety and restlessness, but now, since at least a bit of your mind is absorbed into your balls, you have a somewhat more peaceful mind, meaning you are easier to fall into a state of flow, you feel good and at ease and are more confident and can easier navigate your emotional turmoil.
    This is also why nofap and meditation go hand in hand, as it increases these effects even more.

    Keep at it guys, you'll get there!


    PS: If you want to know more about this topic I recommend looking into Damo Mitchell, he is an expert on Daoist internal arts and has a podcast, a website with many useful articles, and a number of books. The one I have and recommend is "A comprehensive guide to Daoist Nei Gong". He will, however, tear down some of the knowledge you may already have on chakra or popular Daoist practices like a non-ejaculatory orgasm. He states that most of what is known here in the west about eastern spiritual traditions is incorrect and misinformed. And gives a solid base as to what and why.
     
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  2. StarRider

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    My assessment is that those foreign culture spiritual practices were intentionally introduced into the West to uproot us from our own traditions, and of course have been intentionally distorted in the process by Non-Asians doing so. Just as porn has been introduced to Westerners as a distorted form of sexuality to distract them from natural reproduction. In the end it's all about spiritual warfare.

    As someone without East Asian roots I don't need Asian spiritual practices or religions - neither in original nor distorted form. These belong to East Asians with thousands of years of tradition (who should not abandon them to take up Western degeneracy). There is enough stuff available from my own ancestors that I don't need to mimic people I have nothing in common with with an entirely different history.
     
  3. Michael is not Asian though. These practices just tend to be brushed off in "the west" or hidden under secret organizations, governmental fronts, huge pay walls, etc. In the east it's pretty chill about esoteric stuff because the infrastructure is still highly undeveloped and people still live like 1600s in many parts of the east. Whereas in America and Europe there are no aboriginal tribes anymore.
    He speaks and teaches in English anyway
     
  4. StarRider

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    For North America this is pretty much true, but I consider myself being part of an European aboriginal tribe. Because the last time I looked, my people came from this part of the world and have been here for thousands of years. :)
     
  5. MusicMakingMonk

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    Interesting take, although I'm pretty sure that European tradition was already uprooted before the popularization of eastern wisdom traditions, with the decay of the Christian church being a thing long before hippies started reading Alan Watts and the Beatles hanging out with Indian guru's. It was more like a vacuum of spiritual belief occurred before that and the obvious thing to fill the gap was other traditions that were more easily accessible with a rise in global communications, what do you think?

    Can I ask you what you practice yourself?
     
  6. whiteflag70

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    "There is enough stuff available from my own ancestors that I don't need to mimic people I have nothing in common with with an entirely different history."

    I thought Nei gong internal arts are about meridian/energy points in the body that exist in each and every one of us. People of science may think it's hogwash but i don't think it's got to do with mimicking anyone. maybe the ancient indians talk about similar stuff like chakras.
     
  7. StarRider

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    That's exactly the kind of stuff I don't need at all. For me applied to Westerners in its distorted way it's also a gateway into PMO.
     
  8. Yeah. We figured. Bye for now.
     
  9. whiteflag70

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    gateway to pmo? I aint no expert but i do standing meditation as part of my recovery program. Part of the problem of these internal arts is a lack of unified teaching methods. You really don't know who knows what and whether they are bogus or the real thing. personally, in the area of martial arts, i have felt those who use the so-called internal energy. It wasn't mma stuff, it was like magic. Completely changed my thinking regarding those ancient teachings.
     
  10. StarRider

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    The thing is that I'm not into "magic", "superpowers" or other cultish stuff, which seems to be big on this forum. I'm strictly viewing my recovery from scientific evidence on the brain, its dopamine system and I choose methods my own tribe built to manage self-control, because I think they are the best match to my genetic makeup and therefore work most efficiently.

    I see the benefits of a healthy sex drive, which isn't sedated by either MO or by foreign esoteric methods and I start to see the benefits of keeping that drive until marriage instead of settling it to the first girlfriend you encounter (that means abstience). Again, not because of cultish beliefs in "superpowers", but to get the best results for a successful life, including the best possible relationships.
     
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  11. whiteflag70

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    Oh, i didnt know magik n superpowers was big on the forum. And no, im not into cultish magic powers. what i said felt like magic was actually, in a simplified manner, a developed connection of the fascia system (which usually lies undeveloped within us), refined and in tune with the mind. So it's scientific base.

    Im not sure how esoteric methods are designed to sedate a healthy sex drive, though it was supposed to promote a healthy body and mind. The internal art guy i mentioned said "if you train this stuff, when you are 60, you'll be fu*king like a 30 yo". I don't know about that but he is around 60, and fit as a fiddle. There's this other chi gung fella i met who teaches sexual chi gung stuff (i didn't take the course) who boasted of how his wife is always happy. during the intro course, he even offered to show how his dick can carry 2kg of weight. i declined the offer. But then again ive seen vids on youtube of masters who seem so out of shape so i really don't know.

    However i admit some of this esoteric practice carries risk if it is not done correctly, that's what i hear. I think people who are in the internal arts sometimes like to make it all magical/mysterious sounding cause it adds to the allure of the subject, or they actually cant explain why it happens because they've only been trained the old way (ie just shut up and train). Good luck with your journey.
     
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  12. StarRider

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    I've read a lot of posts on this forum by people asking questions of this or that "counts" as a relapse and if they now lost their "powers".

    I mean most what read about people trying to apply these methods is about getting rid of being a sexual being and become some kind of superhuman elevating to some imagined next plane of existence. And they usually fail, because in the end it's just passed on stories, that's why they
    Abstinence is very beneficial (and has a tradition in my own culture as well), but part of healing and not relapsing is accepting the fact, that the sexual drive is an integral part of the human existence and at some point one needs to learn to live with it, instead of trying out all kinds of rituals supposed to diminish it. That would just mean replacing PMO with some other practice and if the latter doesn't work anymore (because of the placebo effect finally failing), falling right back into PMO.
     
  13. Captain!

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    Its never magic, but let me tell you what will science says about PMO. The first thing you will see in the internet once you search for it or the doctors will suggest to you, is that its healthy. And that will tell the difference from what you call magic and the established suggestion of a current civilization for you being here in Nofap forum because you know there is something wrong with your body and you want to know what's the truth behind all these phenomenon, this PMO bring, why just can't you have the pleasure and highs, why bring the destruction from different facets of your body with it and especially it's highly addictive properties.
     
  14. StarRider

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    Just look up what doctors used to say about smoking cigarettes.

    Of course, once real science picked the topic up, studies devastated the tobacco industry.
     
  15. Captain!

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    Yes. But they did say this after 70 years of research, for the record for cigarette although clinical proven still many people are addicted to it, saying one stick can't harm, like one stick once a week or so, well this cycle is very similar to a fapper, so science might prove the fatal effect of PMO to health after how many decades would you wait until it is official proven, so when all the things you knew that was wrong can't be undone now, when all health is deteriorated, when you aged enough and all sickness induced by PMO have come to its peak. That within you, you know its cause but so blinded by the highs of it, still helpless to get out of that vice.

    You can, the sun is meant to shine on your face.
     
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  16. Captain!

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    Dont listen to that, you know it's wrong if it promotes edging, you need to transmute that sexual energy by exerting your force to the things that you love the most like improving your life, achieving your dream, anything that brings goodness in life.
     
  17. whiteflag70

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    Huh? Edging? You mean the sexual chi gung thing? Nah, man, it's a sexual health seminar. I saw an ad, thought it look interesting and went to the intro but never took the course. But I agree with you on the edging, transmute stuff. Definitely. Thx, mate!
     
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  18. whiteflag70

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    Ahh, NoFap superpowers, ok I see what u mean. Nice to know that your culture has a tradition of abstinence. For so long I had an attitude of "if u got it, use it" but I am now learning to acknowledge and respect that energy. Great to hear your views.
     
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