A typical PMO experience visualized (as bisexual behavior)

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  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    I figured i should try and create a visualization of a typical PMO experience (jerking off watching "straight" porn).

    This is a continuation of my topics on PMO as a bisexual experience rather than a heterosexual one and how various fetishes or disorders (hocd/cuckold/transexual attraction/sissy/transvestism etc) are acquired. My overarching point is that though the act of PMO you are subjected to bisexuality though Classical conditioning (Pavlov's Dog - pairing a rewarding/pleasurable stimuli with a neutral or even unpleasant one).

    The stimuli you get in a PMO act are:

    1. visual
    2. auditory
    3. sensorial (touch)

    Since i am familiar with video editing, i categorized porn shots and split them in standard editing workflow (video+audio). The shots list is by no means exhaustive but rather simplified to deliver the point. There are many more types of shots, each with various degrees of heterosexual and homosexual inputs, depending on the amount of body parts shown and the duration of each shot.

    To make things even more complicated, the audio stimuli (male/female) also vary widely and no shot is really standardized.

    In the end however the result is still the same - you end up with a seemingly randomized (in order, duration and shot type) sequence filled with exclusive heterosexual, exclusive homosexual, bisexual inputs, both in video and audio form. [and by the way, random rewards are the most potent ones]

    To make things even worse, the whole experience is usually sustained with you jerking off, which, in my opinion, can not be considered an exclusive heterosexual act but rather both heterosexual and homosexual (you rub a penis while sexually aroused, to get more sexually aroused you rub a penis harder and eventually you orgasm with a penis in your hand).

    This is the theoretical framework of a PMO experience

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    And this is a how a typical PMO experience looks like

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    You can read more on PMO as likely contributing to bisexuality here: https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/pmo-as-a-bisexual-homosexual-behavior.253966/

    and on PMO Classical conditioning / Pavlov's dog here https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?t...ined-pmo-as-a-bisexual-homosexual-act.260597/
     
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  2. AtomicTango

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    This makes a lot of sense and I've thought and said a lot of similar things for a while now. Its honestly common sense but as a society we are conditioned to not question it and those who do are labelled as being weird for not asking the obvious questions. Questions like;

    "Why is it that a lot of men start off watching lesbian stuff then progress to stuff they didn't even like to begin with as time goes on?"

    "Why is bisexuality becoming so much more common in younger people? Why was bisexuality relatively uncommon before the creation of internet porn?"

    "Why are especially degrading and harmful types of porn openly pushed and barely anyone questions it?"

    I could go on but these questions are rhetorical as we all know the answer. Porn is essentially a form of hypnosis that conditions you and placates you, makes you docile and weak. Its literally designed to take advantage of our primal brain reward system and we arent biologically built to handle it.
     
  3. StonePlacidity

    StonePlacidity Fapstronaut

    You look at another man fking a woman. And most of the time the camera is focusing on his dick
     
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  4. I never thought of myself as Bi until I developed a fascination for:

    Double Vaginal Penetration

    It became an obsession for me, to the point I almost persuaded my wife to try it.
     
  5. ultrafabber

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    yeap, DP is most certainly BI/gay. So is interracial, since you can't be the male of another race.

    Hope you got away from it and didn't do it in real life.
     
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  6. I've never done it in reality, but the temptation is real! Especially when wife is open minded in the right mood .
     
  7. ultrafabber

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    definitely do not do it. your wife should not be this "open minded" but you should not even think about this in the first place, it's really wrong. She's your wife dude, you are married. And even if you weren't married, it's your woman, not something you share.
     
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  8. I know dude, my heart says I love her...but in my head the PMO has told me this is something I really wanna try. It's messed up, isn't it?
     
  9. ultrafabber

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    Yes it is. I used to be in some messed up fantasies myself but thank God those fade away. Trust me. The same things that 1 year ago would arouse me to breaking point now only make me disgusted if i watch.

    You had just been conditioned by porn/masturbation.
     
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  10. verbeek75

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    I have fantasized a lot about similar, unfortunately I haven't had a girlfriend for a long time only a friend with benefits sometimes. I really fantasy a lot wanting to have gf and doing this too. Thus the PMO made me look for new thrills I ended up on the other side being the bull for several couples for half a year or so. I met several couples and cheating women doing this. I know it's really messed up but for some it really is their lifestyle and it makes them happy but I just want to stop this addiction and have a normal relationship.
     
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  11. Did you actually try the d0uble penetration thing? And is it worth it?? Or is the reality not as good as the fantasy?
     
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  12. verbeek75

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    Short question but a long answer:

    Reality is almost never as good as the fantasy. For me the center is always the woman and the other men I don't really care about them, sure when we were sharing with 1 or more guys it could be fun, but most of the times if they were only watching I completely forgot about them.
    Coming back to your question, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past, please don't judge me, just being honest of what porn addiction can do.
    With one it was very good and I enjoyed the whole thing very much but with others it didn't do much for me and just wanted to get it over and really not worth it. For me it was more psychological but other men might feel different about it. For me in the end it really depends on the woman.
    Don't think playing the bull is that great either, with some it really felt good depending on the connection I had with the women and enjoyed the sex but in general it just made me feel very empty. Many years of porn addiction, being single, feeling lonely is a bad match, made me look for thrills a common person would not do.

    The funny thing is although I fantasize about having a gf/wife and doing it with her, I'm not sure if I could go through with it, I know these fantasies are because of the porn adddiction and I just would like to have a monogomous relationship even if I have done it as the bull several times before, and I'm really not even a good looking hunk but just a skinny nerdy guy with glasses.

    The big difference is, you are talking about your wife, for me I was the bull and had absolutely no connection with the women or couples, meaning there are no emotional repurcusions for me I don't need to deal with the aftermath of what happens between them, although most of the couples were very experiences swingers/cuckolds and cheaters as it is there way of life. For you the aftermath can be distastrous depending on both of your personalities and life together. What comes after for both of you, what are your expectations. Your lifestyle can completely change for both of you, sure the people I met enjoyed it but they had strict rules between them, but I'm sure others had there relationship destroyed.

    Whatever your decision think about it and don't repent on it, enjoy (do play save) or accept it was just a fantasy and/or what comes after.

    Honestly don't risk it, it really is not worth it, just accept it as a fantasy a stupid fetish caused because of watching to much porn, but it's up to you.

    Stop watching porn, instead get a new hobby together with your wife.

     
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  13. Thanks dude, definitely take this on board.

    Definitely done with p0rn and need to treat my wife right. X
     
  14. ultrafabber

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    That is really wrong. Nobody is "really happy" about their wife being with someone else. They're just too low self esteemed and scared of losing her to say no. You should've never engaged with another man's woman, let alone a married one.

    It's messed up they done that and it's messed up that you accepted to participate. Hopefully you now see that you made a serious mistake.
     
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